# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/81 "2021-11-11T14:47:28Z")
If the one who lost out does not understand that is not an issue, but I know what I did and that is all that matters, if people are not able to understand then not an issue either. And there was me thinking that gankers were master of mechanics in this game, but in reality most of you are just blunt force merchants. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/82 "2021-11-11T14:47:43Z")
Blablablabla, is not a victory. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/83 "2021-11-11T14:48:21Z")
You seem so desperate to say otherwise. I think you protest too much. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/84 "2021-11-11T21:02:36Z")
You two are my favorite Eve old married couple. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/85 "2021-11-11T22:55:12Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/5/b/85b1f86ffd16eb4e820dedbf96707572b882c0db.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/86 "2021-11-11T23:00:49Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The low amount of damage done by the last two characters on that kill is evident of the need to kill it before reps came in. That cost him two extra Ruptures, based on destroyed value that would be 24m extra cost. I count that as effective AG. Effective AG is just bringing enough DPS to delete them quickly. Thotamon reps his heart out but most don’t even fit a tank so. Lets not front like you’re actually out there 😃 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > blunt force merchants. You have to be, you have to beat the timer. That takes calculation and skill. Also if you understood the game, you’d fit up a brutix or talos but yennoe that would take undocking. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/87 "2021-11-11T23:07:39Z")
Here Drac, I’ll give you the set up to stop Uedama ganks or seriously mess them up. You need about 5-6 brutix, hull tanked w/ blasters. Fit for max DPS. Tracking comps and SBs. Then 5-6 crucs, spider web them at 100km around the gate. Be on comms. When gank starts, crucs target as much as they can, and TD. Brutix’s focus fire one at a time to delete quickly. Its not that hard. This would involve you actually playing and people wanting to play with you so ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/88 "2021-11-11T23:10:51Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > You two are my favorite Eve old married couple. That is truly a horrible thought, funny though! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/89 "2021-11-12T03:00:56Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s not a really win though, if you have to explain _why_ it’s a win, or in the sense that you spin it into a theoretical win… that’s not actually a genuine win. So, Aiko is this like the time you failed a gank in uedama and claimed you never fail in local , as we repped the freighter and sent it on its way, was this your theoretical win? Talking of gank fails a goon baiter /ganker failed in jita last night , bumped off the station and killed quickly using a kill right , well done , unless some how it was a theoretical win for the Goon. > **[Thrasher | Zalmoxeh | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96593634/)** > > Zalmoxeh (EVE-RO) lost their Thrasher in Jita (The Forge). Final Blow by jegogmigselv (New Eden Police Force) flying in a Slasher. Total Value: 2,586,104.34 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/90 "2021-11-12T03:12:30Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You need about 5-6 brutix, hull tanked w/ blasters. Fit for max DPS. Tracking comps and SBs. Yes that will stop a gank but seeing that fleet at the gate the gankers play the waiting game or gank somewhere we are not waiting, we’ve stopped ganks with Armageddon fleets and Talos fleets after the 1st surprise fail they wait . ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 3:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/91 "2021-11-12T03:30:21Z")
Of course but they are waiting, they aren’t ganking. However it then becomes a factor of how long AG will just essentially be wanting to gate camp. Hence why hiring a sec fleet to pre jump ahead of you makes more sense. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/92 "2021-11-12T06:11:35Z")
We need game play like ww2 Atlantic convoy for freighters and there escorts , not sure how that would work but you get my point, how to make it enjoyable for both side but it takes player effort, or do it on your own and risk a gank like today ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/94 "2021-11-12T06:54:09Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > We need game play like ww2 Atlantic convoy for freighters and there escorts , not sure how that would work but you get my point, how to make it enjoyable for both side I kind of feel that’s an idea based on trying to increase enjoyability for both sides, but in effect would only increase fun for anti-ganking. Gankers just want to gank. I’m not sure how making it more of a back-and-forth between sides actually does anything for them. It may be a great idea is general, just think it is more focused on _more fun for me, but not for thee_. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/95 "2021-11-12T07:06:40Z")
Yes you are right , I don’t care about gankers but I don’t want to push them out of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/96 "2021-11-12T07:12:42Z")
I’m in my cloaked submarine right now. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/97 "2021-11-12T08:21:42Z")
If haulers were smart, they’d hire a small sec fleet to get thru the deep water. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/98 "2021-11-12T08:38:36Z")
Still happy a goon baiter/ganker got killed to our killrights programme ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/99 "2021-11-12T08:38:55Z")
It can work, not long after I returned to the game one of my alliance mates wanted to move a large freighter load of stuff into Jita. I switched to two of my characters and set up with Talos’s, objective a certain tackle on the gate, I would take it down in just over 15 seconds well within the gate cloak of the freighter if the main threat used his normal fit. The freighter was webbed and there were logi too. However the way was clear as we had scouts, and it was done with no issue. It does need people to use their brains and understand what they can do. The tackle on the gates is a weak spot and you don’t necessarily need to blap it, but the risk is higher if you do not as good timing becomes critical. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/100 "2021-11-12T08:39:50Z")
That doesn’t work because the rewards don’t pay for that kind of expense. And it doesn’t work either way, as countless of sunk convoys during WW1/2 show, and in addition to the failure rate, they were also outrageously expensive. The escorts for convoys only became effective once the allied forces had means to intercept communication from the axis and once they had destroyed sufficient uboots so that their coverage became less dense. ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/6/5/46546bd503d48e965b38598d40d9a3df4c837f5a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/101 "2021-11-12T08:47:20Z")
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