# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1179 "2022-03-09T20:32:19Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Maybe we need to use mutual wars a bit more I am conflicted about mutual wars, but I would say that they are _fine_ if the involved parties maintain war eligibility otherwise (to ensure fair/dynamic gameplay through the danger of outside interference). It’s a good way to avoid the war HQ environment ---
**Author:** ![Wah\_Huren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wah_huren/32/394699_2.png) [@Wah\_Huren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wah_Huren)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1180 "2022-03-09T21:39:49Z")
Can I get my yacht back, please? ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_awesum_brutha/32/387010_2.png) [@Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Awesum_Brutha)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1181 "2022-03-09T21:50:20Z")
I am sorry, but we will not lift the sanctions before you stop your illegitimate claims on our territory. ---
**Author:** ![Labadina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/labadina/32/469476_2.png) [@Labadina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Labadina)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1182 "2022-03-09T23:40:24Z")
Nothing but fake and misguided propaganda, clearly we are not the Russians here 🕶 Only 2 of our pilots died fearlessly fighting your desperate esporadic attacks where our 3 mill loss vs your 3 heavier vassels losses 9 mill… Check both sides KB at that system and time to face the reality of the encounter. Now if u wanna count in the fight the defenceless civilians you killed prior to our arival? Just cheap manipulated propaganda to appear more capable. We will cross fire in the field again,that is a fact 🕶 💪 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1183 "2022-03-10T03:05:44Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Talk about failures, Uedama was totally clear earlier, only 5 low level Thrashers on the Uedama gate in Sivala. Failing just failing… You realize the gank fleets move around right? There’s no rule they have to stay in Uedama LOL. Dude, you seriously look dumb when you say things like this. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1184 "2022-03-10T07:20:01Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You realize the gank fleets move around right? Those Thrasher’s don’t, we all know this😁 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1185 "2022-03-10T07:29:32Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Those Thrasher’s don’t, we all know this😁 Uh. Safety’s been pretty busy in other systems. You’d know if you were actually yennoe AGing. And the fact you trynna come to his defense, it is the definition of ick. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1186 "2022-03-10T07:34:59Z")
What I mean is the Thrasher’s he reported on are well know to us , not Safety ships , uedama was clear , safety was off killing miners in other systems ,. I know this because we followed them for a time before we returned to other duties. So just pointing out your lack of knowledge ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1187 "2022-03-10T07:41:22Z")
Its not lack of knowledge. Drac is claiming victory because only the “thrasher fleet” is in Uedama. My point is that Safety is out there roaming, ganking at will. Hawk is at an SoE hub, ganking marauders. In other words, it isn’t a victory at all. You already admit Safety was roaming and killing. Moreover, you already admitted failure because you said followed, not stopped. So no, you guys didn’t “win”. You already admitted to actively failing. Its just Drac, trying to take credit for doing absolutely nothing again. And here you are, now jumping on his band wagon of being absolutely wrong but trying to brute force your way to right, regardless of how much it doesn’t make sense. Uedama being relatively clear had absolutely nothing to do with any AG activities, as you already admitted. By his and your admission, it wasn’t like there was an active AG force in Uedama keeping it clear, the gankers merely were killing elsewhere. I pity you bruv. You out here, dying on this hill for your “king” who doesn’t even undock or really help you, but merely rides your coat tails for clout. It wasn’t so long ago, he used to talk smack about you too cause he was jealous that you had more AG clout. Do you not remember that? Cause I do. In fact, I used to defend you to him. Just have some dignity bruv. This dude does absolutely nothing for you or your movement. He makes it look worse than the gankers ever could 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1188 "2022-03-10T07:55:24Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Moreover, you already admitted failure because you said followed, not stopped. Very good point , from the very start of my AG escapades we have tried to stop ganks on mining belts and mission runners but it’s very time-consuming to actually save a ship. We do try and catch fleets as they move and act as a deterrent in the sys we are in . Even one or two of us in a sys make gankers change what sys they gank or when and with what ships Just like this kill , before they get to their target > **[Catalyst | Aiko Danuja | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99369554/)** > > Aiko Danuja (Krigmakt) lost their Catalyst in Sankkasen (The Citadel). Final Blow by Phat Phil (New Eden Police Force) flying in a Atron. Total Value: 1,498,678.32 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1189 "2022-03-10T08:15:31Z")
What is that fit? I love seeing people catch them on gates. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1190 "2022-03-10T08:21:10Z")
That’s her concord whoring ship . Not sure why , it seems below her Highness, such antics ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1191 "2022-03-10T08:23:19Z")
Oh I see, that explains the smart bombs, seems a bit hypocritical after all the fuss they make about CONCORD whoring? I don’t think anything is below Aiko in my opinion of course, she would club baby seals if she could. 😛🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1193 "2022-03-10T08:45:40Z")
That is interesting, while I was having a bit of fun with my post that re-started this thread, I was surprised at the lack of gankers, in and around Jita and around Uedama too. Despite their much touted ability to adapt, it seems that improved tanks on mining barges and exhumers applied previously and now with the latest patch on BS, has impacted their ability to gank overall, but I was surprised at the lack of Tornado and Thrasher gankers hanging around, have all the low hanging fruit given up? Thanks for linking that other one, at least her fit makes more sense. Glad that they failed. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1194 "2022-03-10T08:53:59Z")
They put a big show on now and again but your right ganking is dying because the resistance is working. We really need to work on mining belts now , but so many to protect. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1195 "2022-03-10T08:54:41Z")
Soon ganking will stop completely, and this game will be nice and fun and enjoyable for everyone! \o/ ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1196 "2022-03-10T08:57:12Z")
I’m sure they will move to new targets and we will follow . Little old me will not make gankers leave the game , just as being ganked doesn’t makes people leave . ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1197 "2022-03-10T09:06:10Z")
Ganking is like any other vice. No single change (aside from an outright ban) is going to stop it fully, but just like with cigarette and alcohol taxes, each increase is going to chip away at the amount of people engaging in the activity, and the quantity of engagement. People are going to continue to drop out as anti-gank changes, whether intentional or incidental, continue coming in (and they’re coming in hard and fast now). Increasing the costs of ganking (which are most often felt in terms of the amount of accounts required to pull it off) is going to reduce ganking; that’s just a simple statistical truth. This isn’t really _your_ victory, and it’s not because of the “resistance.” Ganking is decreasing due to systemic changes. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_awesum_brutha/32/387010_2.png) [@Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Awesum_Brutha)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1198 "2022-03-10T09:24:54Z")
I can’t speak for other gankers, but the reason I put less kills on the board is that I only hit targets I got hired against and confirmed botters. And all of my targets went into hiding. I have more gankers than ever, so rest assured that hitting random barges and exhumers wouldn’t be a challenge. @Githany_Red Are you sure that you don’t want a war against me? I’d love to give you some content. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1199 "2022-03-10T09:35:04Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > it seems that improved tanks on mining barges and exhumers applied previously and now with the latest patch on BS, has impacted their ability to gank overall, Of course it has. The buffs to mining ships were insane. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=58) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=60)