# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1200 "2022-03-10T09:38:05Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > but your right ganking is dying because the resistance is working. So we are taking credit for ehp buffs to ganker targets now? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1201 "2022-03-10T10:30:40Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Very good point Yet you dodge all the others šŸ˜ƒ I know why. It is time consuming to save a ship. Yet its what you claim to try and do on a regular basis. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Thatā€™s her concord whoring ship . Not sure why , it seems below her Highness, such antics The fact that you donā€™t understand why, doesnā€™t bode well for you knowing how to actually AG. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Oh I see, that explains the smart bombs, seems a bit hypocritical after all the fuss they make about CONCORD whoring? I donā€™t think anything is below Aiko in my opinion of course, she would club baby seals if she could. šŸ˜› šŸ™‚ No, no it doesnā€™t ROFL. If you donā€™t understand why the smart bombs, youā€™re just as fail as Githany at AG šŸ˜ƒ Holy quafe. The both of you have no understanding of PvP huh? > [@Phat\_Phil](#): > > Safety is 80% Aiko killing their own alts. If zkillboard were to recognise those kills as padding, their alliance would look far more inactive. > I was watching their killboard recently and it looks like there are only 3 or 4 actual people left that still do stuff. ROFL ok bud. Sure. A couple of weeks ago she netted about 7b in profit from blapping marauders. Those were all her alts too? LOL. I swear, the lengths yaā€™ll will reach for, its like youā€™re training to be gymnasts šŸ˜ƒ > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I was surprised at the lack of gankers, in and around Jita and around Uedama too. You realize peeps got lives right? Thereā€™s a war on. New games such as Elden Ring have come out. There is a variety of reasons ganking may have taken a dip. I can say with 100% certainty it has nothing to do with you or Githanyā€™s antics šŸ˜ƒ > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Glad that they failed Brosef, you literally fail everyday as there are ganks happening every day šŸ˜ƒ > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > ganking is dying because the resistance is working. Uh. You got any proof or You literally just said all you did was follow Aiko tonight as she killed and didnā€™t prevent it. How is that proof the ā€œresistanceā€ is working? > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Iā€™m sure they will move to new targets and we will follow . Yes. All youā€™ll do is follow šŸ˜ƒ Definitely not stop LOL. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This isnā€™t really _your_ victory, and itā€™s not because of the ā€œresistance.ā€ Ganking is decreasing due to systemic changes. Yep. The stealth nerf to ganking will be interesting as it goes in the long run. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > So we are taking credit for ehp buffs to ganker targets now? Apparently. Its kinda pathetic honestly. Like I wanna troll them, but in reality they are just so.. lame. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1202 "2022-03-10T11:00:22Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > seems a bit hypocritical after all the fuss they make about CONCORD whoring? Someone is JEALOUS that Iā€™m the best antiganker in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1203 "2022-03-10T11:12:05Z")
Yes of course ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1204 "2022-03-10T11:22:24Z")
Well you are going to have to explain that to me. Not sure Iā€™m following the logic ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1205 "2022-03-10T14:46:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Despite their much touted ability to adapt, it seems that improved tanks on mining barges and exhumers applied previously and now with the latest patch But all the miners were actually up in arms about the changes. I myself stopped mining in a Procurer the moment the ā€˜time to warpā€™ almost doubledā€¦and have not mined in one since. If thereā€™s less ganking of barges it may well be because thereā€™s less barges, than because gankers find it harder. To me the changes were a good thingā€¦as they finally got me out of mining and training up for ā€˜proper PvPā€™ skills. This is why ganking is essentialā€¦in addition to ganking providing ā€˜something to fightā€™. Of course AG will never ever defeat ganking, but it is useful content creation trying. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1206 "2022-03-10T16:08:21Z")
Cilla. You canā€™t sum up barges by solely referencing the procurer. Which of the 6 barges/exhumers stayed the same in tank and got a bit slower. The other two barges got significant EHP buffs and in the case of the 3 exhumers the EHP buffs are beyond ridiculous. You could get more EHP on a skiff than you could on some battleships (they may have changed as a result of the BS buffs this week). I have 68K EHP on a mackinaw and that is still fitted with 2 mining laser upgrades. So its not like Iā€™m making much sacrifices in terms of yield to get to that level. While you didnā€™t like the changes and you stopped mining as a resultā€¦ā€¦it doesnā€™t negate the fact that ganking miners became significantly harder as a result of the December patch. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1207 "2022-03-10T19:14:06Z")
I get the sense that peeps were crying too much about marauders getting ganked. Itā€™ll be interesting as I feel now smaller blinged ships will be more of a target. I also think just gotta adjust fleet comp for dessie gank fleets. Will need a lot of more lazors to get the shield guys. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1208 "2022-03-10T20:14:39Z")
The tanks have had an impact. I know the issue with alignment time and of course top speed, but outside of hisec I use a Prospect or an Endurance. I was happy for the BS buff, not because of Marauders being ganked, but because I thought that this ship class was under tanked. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1209 "2022-03-10T21:44:44Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Cilla. You canā€™t sum up barges by solely referencing the procurer. Well I _can_, because the entire reason I bought the Procurer was because of the good EHP. The entire basis of the barges available before the changes was that you could choose between tank or capacity or speed. Thus I chose a Procurer and got it to 72K EHP. All the changes did was to remove much of the difference between the barges, whilst nerfing the Proc warp time to a ridiculous degree. I could not stand the new 18 second warp time. These days I occasionally mine in a ā€˜throw awayā€™ 300K Venture. Itā€™s never gonna pay for my increasing spending, but it tops up my ISK a little bit while the rest comes from PLEX. Iā€™m _glad_ the changes moved me away from mining. I moved on to tradingā€¦but Iā€™m even getting bored of that. Itā€™s time to do what I joined the game forā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1210 "2022-03-10T21:48:39Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Well I _can_, Actually yes you can. What I meant was itā€™s extremely short sighted, ignorant and kinda dumb to judge a change to 3 ships solely on your experience of 1 ship. But not surprising ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1211 "2022-03-10T21:57:47Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > What I meant was itā€™s extremely short sighted, ignorant and kinda dumb to judge a change to 3 ships solely on your experience of 1 ship. Not when the entire basis of a _choice_ was a substantive difference between the three. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1212 "2022-03-10T22:01:08Z")
And how was that choice changed? Procurer was the tankiest. Still is. Retriever was the one with the big hold. Still is Convetor is the best yield. Still is. The crux of the change was that the retriever and conveyor before patch were paper thin and unviable in a lot of cases. The patch made them more attractive. So the choice remains exactly the same. Just the convetor and retriever are actually viable now. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1213 "2022-03-10T22:19:56Z")
You can AFK-mine with nearly guarateed safety if you just do it in some area thatā€™s out of the way of hubs and main travel routes. Just go somewhere in Placid or Derelik or some obscure part of Domain and have at it. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1214 "2022-03-10T22:22:04Z")
Ssshhhhh Itā€™s a secret ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1215 "2022-03-10T22:48:20Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Someone is JEALOUS that Iā€™m the best antiganker in the game. Indeed you are Princess. You could teach @Githany_Red and @Dracvlad a thing or two. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1216 "2022-03-11T00:32:49Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Itā€™s time to do what I joined the game forā€¦ Uh huh. Iā€™ll believe it when I see it. But you hide behind Cilla so > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Ssshhhhh > > Itā€™s a secret Apparently to Drac it is LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1217 "2022-03-11T08:15:21Z")
The EHP of the procurer and the skiff are still better than the others, but they over did the align time and nerfed the speed too much, typical CCP, reallyā€¦ I am an occasional miner, in that I do it not to make ISK to to save myself from spending ISK or in terms of projects or objectives. I find the Prospect and Endurance pretty much meet my requirements outside of hisec and I would suggest that you look into that at some point. If you get caught in them then you will die, however they are very good to use so you do not get caught. Best advice I can give you is donā€™t become stuck in a routine or be too obvious. There is a lot more to this game than hisec. Which then brings me to this: > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > You could teach @Githany_Red and @Dracvlad a thing or two. Nah, no way, Aiko has barely touched the surface of this game, and is a one hit wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1218 "2022-03-11T11:43:21Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am an occasional miner šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1219 "2022-03-11T12:19:35Z")
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