# Criminals and gank failures **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 31, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769 "2021-10-31T07:15:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1401 "2022-03-17T03:56:43Z")
@[Don Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Don_Pickle) We’re missing the whole point here I think. Some miners pay for protection and then others just send isk to cover those costs that you had started to point out. (removed image as no permission was given to display such) ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1402 "2022-03-17T04:04:29Z")
> [@Don\_Pickle](#): > > 7 days of Omega time is 125plex( costs at current market price: 367,500,000 ISK and comes to a total of 1,837,500,000 ISK) Huh ? I bought 500 PLEX yesterday…it was £16.99…and it converted to about 1.3bn ISK OMEGA for me is £10 a month…so is about 760m ISK…for an entire month. Which is 177m ISK a week, for one person…less than half what you quote. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1403 "2022-03-17T04:13:50Z")
> [@Leggone\_Stracks](#): > > How can you NOT make a profit when failed brain surgery victims fly around in vanilla fit Corvettes with a Bil + of junk in their hold. The few times I have actually watched ganking, its been like in those Attenborough documentaries where you want to shout ’ there’s a lion behind you ! Stupid wildebeast ! '. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1404 "2022-03-17T04:31:49Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > there’s a lion behind you ! Stupid wildebeast ! '. And unknowingly, you hit the nail square on the head. That’s the argument that Aiko has been making all along. AG fails because the people they are trying to protect are, well, stupid (in game mechanic and game play) and lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Apo\_Bong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/apo_bong/32/512751_2.png) [@Apo\_Bong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Apo_Bong)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1405 "2022-03-17T04:34:42Z")
Wow that ganking calc was amazing. Please go through my ■■■■ and tell me how hard i am failing. @Don_Pickle I play a bunch of paradox games and suddenly nado/rupture ganking in Uedama is declared dead haha! That was really flattering guys, thanks. Been wanting to try out other areas like Hek/Amarr etc. but i am always too lazy to do the logistics. I bet you are gonna claim to have evicted me even if I announce it in advance. 😂 Storytime: ‘AG’ today was especially cold towards a new player. This poor soul wandered into Uedama starting to happily mine… ![DjangoStory1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/c/6/dc6308ad46ae81bd769a7d0254c7f87102da1954.png) Naturally my paranoia made me think this was some despicable ploy by AG-cyber-terrorists to lure poor me into a trap! Especially since there was no comment by those ‘AG-heroes’ undocked. Surely, the self declared ‘good guys’ would not let some poor noob mine in Uedama of all places? If this truly were some sinister AG trap, what horrors could await me? What terrible things could they do to me? Even worse was the spectre of failure. The pressure to win! If this was to be my glorious return to ganking after not ganking for 24h hours, failure was not an option. Was it worth it to try? The danger to FAIL? As everyone knows, Uedama AG is super effective at what they are doing, as you can probably read in this thread. They will not only shoot your pods after a gank, but do some damage to ships before they get concorded. This is really scary and creates a lot of pressure. Sometimes they will do super clever things like logi or ecm with a griffin, that can only be countered by highly difficult & expesnive things. (like another griffin) Even worse sometimes (nearly always) you forget that AG is even there, and then you do things like forget about ECM, scripts, logi, bumpers etc. They manage this because they are really expert ninja like, so you barely notice them until they made you _fail really hard_! I barely log in because of them. They are really scary! What if this was just another trap by AG to make me fail? ![DjangoStory2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/5/8/f5872f7d519aa070b3db0698a9ef0ec5b2fcf152.png) But the behaviour was just too suspicious. If true, this was some real criminal ■■■■, and a returner newbro better is set straight asap. It’s only merciful before their behaviour get’s too bad. It is the human thing to do. A formal investigation was started and a undercover agent dispatched: ![DjangoStory3](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/1/9/119aeb10bb5ce5113dc8b5f49f764db256a106f0.png) Agent XYZ soon discovered the culprit happily stealing ore right in Uedama, the regional SAFETY. headquarter. Gross! Long story short, poor returner/newbro-miner is down to 11mil ISK: > **[Retriever | Django Silent J | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99517186/)** > > Django Silent J (Republic Military School) lost their Retriever in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by TACAN (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Coercer. Total Value: 57,846,867.74 ISK But the self declared ‘AG-heroes’ didn’t care about that. Not a peep of a warning what might befall a criminal in this system. What terrible justice awaits those found stealing. There were no kind words of advice or tips how to escape this CCP-made scam called mining. No that was left to the overworked SAFETY. agents. (again) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1406 "2022-03-17T04:41:21Z")
> [@Apo\_Bong](#): > > the self declared ‘AG-heroes’ didn’t care about that. Not a peep of a warning Yah, that’s what gets me. These fake whiteknights act like they care about new players so much, but they do like nothing for the new players, they even gank the new players who buy permits, and then they invest all their time and effort into defending nullbloc freighters. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1407 "2022-03-17T04:42:50Z")
And don’t forget, starting threads where they congratulate themselves and give each other prizes. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1408 "2022-03-17T05:05:16Z")
> [@Apo\_Bong](#): > > mine in Uedama Yeah-nah… Tama mining after reset is where to sneak. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Pickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/don_pickle/32/305160_2.png) [@Don\_Pickle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Don_Pickle)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1409 "2022-03-17T05:26:03Z")
Ok all this, in lack of a better word, “spinning” pulled me back for one more reply. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > at least Aiko didn’t become insanely rich when she inherited the CODE. empire. But you didn’t inherited anything… there was no CODE. Empire to inherit, that’s why you left and made your own thing. We have it from good sources, you yourself has said so multiple times. Further the new system with no SRP and that the FC deals out the ships and gets all the loot don’t really scream “I inherited an empire”. And as you usually don’t FC the bigger fleets you also don’t get the bigger loot. But as I said before you turned into her saltiness, I don’t care why you gank, I think its funnier when you do it as a character but you seem to have left all the RP behind you lately, the old you wouldn’t whine about that you was the only one ganking procurers and it ruins you… At least in the past you always got ships to gank with… well well enough time spent on you on to the next, > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Some miners pay for protection and then others just send isk to cover those costs that you had started to point out. It’s a very low amount that does, and showing a print screen of a single low value transaction from last month don’t prove anything else than that you personally gave Aiko a few ships. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Huh ? > > I bought 500 PLEX yesterday…it was £16.99…and it converted to about 1.3bn ISK > > OMEGA for me is £10 a month…so is about 760m ISK…for an entire month. Which is 177m ISK a week, for one person…less than half what you quote. I think you should check the math again, and you got ripped off if you got 1.3bn I took the plex value from eve marketeer if you wish to double check it, your calculation is flawed as OMEGA isn’t equal to 500 plex. > [@Apo\_Bong](#): > > Wow that ganking calc was amazing thank you its very easy with the excellent Redisq service that Squizz Caphinator delivers, you can use something like pandas to quickly get a dataframe up and filter and calc and voila! I’m more then happy to teach you if you wish, it takes very little time, I use it mostly to get pointers on the market. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > And don’t forget, starting threads where they congratulate themselves and give each other prizes. Yes thank god that gankers never done that! Now again, a thousand apologize to @Githany_Red for indulging in this derailing I bid you all good night ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1410 "2022-03-17T05:51:06Z")
The abominations. Made in Chattanooga, I think; although they’re probably shipped in from China, at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1411 "2022-03-17T06:22:39Z")
> [@Don\_Pickle](#): > > It’s a very low amount that does, and showing a print screen of a single low value transaction from last month don’t prove anything else than that you personally gave Aiko a few ships. Well I am only one player out of many. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1412 "2022-03-17T07:19:47Z")
Could not miss the warp core stabs in that contract of yours, jumping gates is becoming a bit more of a lottery I see. And I should advise Destiny that sarcasm like that does not really work, anyone with a brain will realise that the Vagabond moment was a rare event and was just after we blew up a fleet of Leshaks. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Raylan\_Yutani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raylan_yutani/32/312133_2.png) [@Raylan\_Yutani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raylan_Yutani)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1413 "2022-03-17T08:19:40Z")
The fact that you think gankers land at the belt marker and slowboat to their target is telling. Try catching Lewak and let us know how that goes. ---
**Author:** ![Phat\_Phil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phat_phil/32/452625_2.png) [@Phat\_Phil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phat_Phil)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1414 "2022-03-17T11:12:07Z")
Wow another ganker fail: > **[Gnosis | 5MN Microwpdrive | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99523233/)** > > 5MN Microwpdrive (Limited Likely Lasagna Lolis) lost their Gnosis in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by James S'Jet (RageAttacker) flying in a Coercer. Total Value: 53,084,329.05 ISK > **[Catalyst | Highsec Goddess' Gankintel | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99523236/)** > > Highsec Goddess' Gankintel (Limited Likely Lasagna Lolis) lost their Catalyst in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Chroepheohyi (Emergency Temporal Shift.) flying in a Thrasher. Total Value: 11,766,409.62 ISK > **[Catalyst | Elara Restrained MiningLaser | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99523238/)** > > Elara Restrained MiningLaser (Limited Likely Lasagna Lolis) lost their Catalyst in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Chroepheohyi (Emergency Temporal Shift.) flying in a Thrasher. Total Value: 11,767,652.10 ISK > **[Catalyst | Chinese Mittens Crab | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99523239/)** > > Chinese Mittens Crab (Limited Likely Lasagna Lolis) lost their Catalyst in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Chroepheohyi (Emergency Temporal Shift.) flying in a Thrasher. Total Value: 11,770,551.22 ISK > **[Purifier | Butter Button | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99523240/)** > > Butter Button (Memento. Mori.) lost their Purifier in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Chroepheohyi (Emergency Temporal Shift.) flying in a Thrasher. Total Value: 45,709,813.12 ISK > **[Catalyst | Teamspeak 3 Client | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99523251/)** > > Teamspeak 3 Client (Limited Likely Lasagna Lolis) lost their Catalyst in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Chroepheohyi (Emergency Temporal Shift.) flying in a Capsule. Total Value: 11,770,965.38 ISK > **[Catalyst | Haatomo Thot Patrol | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99523252/)** > > Haatomo Thot Patrol (Limited Likely Lasagna Lolis) lost their Catalyst in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Chroepheohyi (Emergency Temporal Shift.) flying in a Capsule. Total Value: 11,766,409.62 ISK And the freighter lived! ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1415 "2022-03-17T11:14:39Z")
Imagine an activity in Eve that doesn’t have a 100% success rate. There is a word for that isn’t there……… Balance? ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1416 "2022-03-17T12:13:23Z")
Well, that was an entertaining read 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1417 "2022-03-17T13:09:24Z")
> [@Leggone\_Stracks](#): > > The abominations. Made in Chattanooga If that’s true, that’s cool. I learned something new. American made! Okay, because they are pretty disgusting, I’ll amend my post. Licking the cheeto dust off their fingers, tipping back RC cola and snarfing down prepackaged moon pies! ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1418 "2022-03-17T14:31:35Z")
> [@Raylan\_Yutani](#): > > The fact that you think gankers land at the belt marker and slowboat to their target is telling. Try catching Lewak and let us know how that goes. Sigh. I was specifically talking about solo cases. You know…_.solo_…like whatever neuron you use to think. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1419 "2022-03-17T14:42:49Z")
> [@Don\_Pickle](#): > > you didn’t inherited anything… there was no CODE. Empire to inherit Aside from a top 20 alliance… > [@Don\_Pickle](#): > > the FC gets all the loot Hahaha, that’s what bitter failed wannabe gankers always complain about. Let me guess, you joined a gank fleet, didn’t make any money, some big dog ate all the food, and you are such a beta you had to make a crybaby alt? Sad! ---
**Author:** ![Raylan\_Yutani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raylan_yutani/32/312133_2.png) [@Raylan\_Yutani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raylan_Yutani)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769/1420 "2022-03-17T16:11:19Z")
Why the attitude? I’m trying to offer you helpful advice based on experience, but you clearly think you know better. Maybe do some research before slinging insults around. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=69) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criminals-and-gank-failures/334769.md?page=71)