# Criticise Occator's fit **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [September 12, 2024, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230 "2024-09-12T08:24:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/22 "2024-09-17T17:29:02Z")
He is not wrong. Insta warp warps on the 1st server tick and can not be caught. 2 second warp is not insta as warps 1 second later., on the 2nd server tick and can be caught. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/24 "2024-09-17T18:09:18Z")
Instawarps are sub 2s warp. You can indeed catch some instawarp ships with the right setup, as explained in the guide I linked above. Instawarp ships that warp within 1 second cannot be caught. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/25 "2024-09-17T18:12:54Z")
If the usage of the term refers to the ability to not be caught, then only \<1s are instawarp. If the usage refers to the minimum possible align, then only \<1s are instawarp. In any case, 2s are not instawarp. Just because some site or someone or even all the people you know say it is, does not make it true. They are wrong, repeating the same mistake in an echo chamber. For example, the eve uni says > If your ship insta-aligns, you can’t be [tackled](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tackling) as long as you hit warp before the other player hits lock. You can safely jump into, and warp off, any gate, as long as it isn’t [bubbled](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tackling#Warp_disruption_fields). This is WRONG for 2s. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/26 "2024-09-17T18:18:28Z")
Oh no, someone else is WRONG on the internet? Please have some fun and search for ‘instawarp EVE’ online. Pretty much every instance of instawarp mentioned is talking about aligning in less than 2 seconds: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/d/2/2d201a91e826f3e7fa4ee53d91d88bd4c93f2f14.png) This means that the majority of players will refer to ‘instawarp’ when they have a ship that aligns in less than 2 seconds. You can call it ‘WRONG’ all you want, but the nature of language isn’t about being right or wrong, it’s about having a common understanding. And to have common understanding with others, please keep in mind that most people will not agree on your definition of instawarp, no matter how much more right you think you are. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/27 "2024-09-17T18:22:39Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Please have some fun and search for ‘instawarp EVE’ online. Pretty much every instance of instawarp mentioned is talking about aligning in less than 2 seconds. Does NOT change that they are wrong. The eve uni site that you cited yourself contradicts what you wrote just before. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > This means that the majority of players will refer to ‘instawarp’ when they have a ship that aligns in less than 2 seconds. And the majority of players is WRONG because of people like you, who can’t acknowledge their mistake and rather repeat something wrong than to think. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You can call it ‘WRONG’ all you want, but the nature of language isn’t about being right or wrong, it’s about having a common understanding. All words just to hide the fact that you ARE wrong. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > please keep in mind that most people will not agree on your definition of instawarp, no matter how much more right you think you are. Please keep in mind that you can be factually wrong. I already gave my arguments. You have none other than to cite a site that contradicts what your other claims. Then claim that you can’t be wrong. If you cite a site that contradicts you, are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/28 "2024-09-17T18:23:35Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/6/9/d69bc0b039d4fec3bcd18543efdbc78563ede5a4.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/29 "2024-09-17T18:24:12Z")
This isn’t about a decision though, but about common language shared between EVE players. If most EVE players say that \<2s align is instawarp, then that is the most common definition. What you have is a different definion. I’m not saying it’s a bad definition, but it’s definitely not the only definition. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/30 "2024-09-17T18:26:06Z")
No, this is about the mechanisms of the game. The term “instant warp” refers to the ability to NOT get caught at a gate. This term is used for a reason, not for the sake of making up arbitrary definitions. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > If most EVE players say that \<2s align is instawarp, then that is the definition. No, this is a belief. Because YOU propagate that mistake. Because YOU prefer to be wrong that to acknowledge your errors. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > What you have is a different definion. I’m not saying it’s a bad definition, but it’s definitely not the only definition. This is the definition given by EVE UNI FFS !! The one you linked ! How stubborn can you be to not even realize your error when it’s showed in your face ! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/31 "2024-09-17T18:28:30Z")
There is only one way to settle this debate @Vokan_Narkar ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/32 "2024-09-17T18:30:43Z")
If you’re going to make Vokan the final arbiter, I suspect I know his choice: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/7/5/97527b3c61145b70168a3bc04b22281724d4fb9a.png) and ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/1/a/01a89e042c5c483745f526db5ef8c727d7f054da.png) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/33 "2024-09-17T18:36:54Z")
Don’t forget to tell him that your source is saying ■■■■. [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Instant\_align](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Instant_align) > If your ship insta-aligns, you can’t be [tackled](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tackling) as long as you hit warp before the other player hits lock. You can safely jump into, and warp off, any gate, as long as it isn’t [bubbled](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tackling#Warp_disruption_fields). > It takes a minimum of 2 seconds (2 [server ticks](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Server_tick)) for someone to be able to [lock](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Targeting#Targeting_time) and [tackle](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tackle) your ship. So if your ship aligns in 2 seconds or less then you can be in warp before being tackled. Eve uni is wrong. And so are you since you follow that old wrong idea. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/34 "2024-09-17T18:37:29Z")
Don’t you ever get tired arguing that everyone else is wrong and only you are right? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/35 "2024-09-17T18:38:19Z")
Do you ever get tired of ignoring the arguments that prove you wrong ? What a lot of efforts to answer everything BUT what is important. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/36 "2024-09-17T18:39:04Z")
I’m not seeing arguments that prove me wrong. What I’m seeing is a lack of understanding nuance and unwillingness to compromise that definitions aren’t set in stone but can have multiple meanings. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/37 "2024-09-17T18:39:19Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I’m not seeing arguments that prove me wrong. I literally quoted them both. From the exact site you used as a reference. What I see a lot of effort to avoid the actual arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/38 "2024-09-17T18:41:00Z")
You quoted the source I linked that said the same thing as I was saying and then said “eve uni is wrong”, telling me that this means I am wrong too. Please, how is you saying “they are wrong and you too” an argument that proves me wrong? It’s just your opinion. But opinions and definitions aside, let’s go back to topic: Occator fits. Does anyone have good Occator fits? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/39 "2024-09-17T18:42:00Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > that said the same thing as I was saying No, it does not. Read again. Eve uni disagrees with you. Take the time to actual think it. This is what you say: > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Instawarps are sub 2s warp. You can indeed catch some instawarp ships with the right setup This is what they say : > if your ship aligns in 2 seconds or less then you can be in warp before being tackled. You are saying two opposite things. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/40 "2024-09-17T18:42:36Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I suspect I know his choice @Vokan_Narkar may surprise you ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/41 "2024-09-17T19:17:09Z")
Why don’t you guys just test it out? Duel each other, one uses a sub 2s align fit and tries to warp away after a gate jump, the other tries to tackle with whatever setup he thinks is the best for it. Can be done from Jita in a few minutes for basically no significant cost. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230/42 "2024-09-17T19:23:48Z")
No need to test it! I know that the vast majority of the time I’ll be completely safe in my sub 2s align fit. And I also know I’m not 100% safe, because if someone with low latency to London, a high sensor strength and also remote sensor boosts from a second ship is ready to tackle me, they have a chance to lock me before I can warp. After all, this scenario has happened to me once in 7 years of playing. It’s possible to tackle a sub 2s align ship, just highly improbable. So for everyday use anything sub 2s is safe and therefore by most players called ‘instawarp’. Now if you’re hauling a few billion ISK worth of small goods you can reduce your risks even further by using a sub 1s align Hecate, like recommended in the same guide above that Stefnia called ‘WRONG’ because it referred to sub 2s align fits as instawarp. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/criticise-occators-fit/461230.md?page=3)