# Cruisers now almost useless, thanks to Navy Destroyers **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [November 9, 2022, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673 "2022-11-09T09:01:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/163 "2022-11-17T10:46:51Z")
XD well played ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/164 "2022-11-17T10:47:44Z")
no omega, also studying how to build airplanes is muy expensive ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/165 "2022-11-17T10:53:16Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > It is. So adapt. > > Don’t cry 😃 No, I’ll cry if I want, complain if I want, and adapt or unsub, if I want as well. And there’s not a single thing you might say that will make a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/166 "2022-11-17T11:12:31Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > If you’re specced in an active rep cruiser, You use an active fit rupture for PvP ?. How you lose to less than 3 thrashers I have no idea as a rupture has cold autocannon dps of 340 to 540dps and drones ontop, a falloff of 20km , more dps and should have about 30k ehp against projectiles ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/167 "2022-11-17T11:21:52Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > You use an active fit rupture for PvP ?. How you lose to less than 3 thrashers I have no idea as a rupture has cold autocannon dps of 340 to 540dps and drones ontop, a falloff of 20km , more dps and should have about 30k ehp against projectiles. Try against the new Fleet Thrashers, with their ROF bonus, the arty kity fits are utterly deadly. Dead in 10 seconds, despite the reps and bling. ^^ My DPS at their range (a little beyond 20K) was considerably lower, in the 100- 150s ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/168 "2022-11-17T11:25:39Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > Dead in 10 seconds, despite the reps and bling. If you used a buffer tank, they wouldn’t kill you in 10 secs, as that would be doing 3000 dps to punch through 30k ehp. Active tanks are for PvE or for AFs/hacs/command ships etc. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/169 "2022-11-17T11:29:11Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > If you used a buffer tank, they wouldn’t kill you in 10 secs, as that would be doing 3000 dps to punch through 30k ehp. Active tanks are for PvE or for AFs/hacs/command ships etc. Yup, already switched all my active rep ruptures to buffer tank already. It pained me to do so, as I loved T1 active rep gameplay very much, but it was a long time ago, and Eve is now what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/170 "2022-11-17T11:35:09Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > My DPS at their range (a little beyond 20K) was considerably lower, in the 100- 150s You are not counting your drones, another 80 dps or so giving you about 200 dps. The thrashers probably have about 5k ehp each to your 30k, both of them doing similar dps to you. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/171 "2022-11-17T11:48:14Z")
Get the smart bomb field! ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/172 "2022-11-17T11:54:11Z")
An ENI can easily kill a navy destroyer, maybe even 2 to 3. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/173 "2022-11-17T11:59:30Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > You are not counting your drones, another 80 dps or so giving you about 200 dps. I was counting drones. > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > The thrashers probably have about 5k ehp each to your 30k, both of them doing similar dps to you. They were not doing similar dps to me at all, they sat at their optimal, I was way passed my falloff. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/174 "2022-11-17T12:00:14Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > An ENI can easily kill a navy destroyer, maybe even 2 to 3. It can ? Active Rep Exeqror ? One yes, 2, not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Maurospanthiras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maurospanthiras/32/473321_2.png) [@Maurospanthiras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maurospanthiras)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/175 "2022-11-17T12:02:15Z")
hmm can a harbinger survive vs 2 vnis? ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/176 "2022-11-17T12:56:09Z")
So many more survival cues here for the harb, with killable drones and laser dps + falloff, neuts, ehp etc … Id def take the fight personally. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/177 "2022-11-17T14:25:22Z")
Depends if it starts at range, vni is freaking scary with a massive tank but if the harby is mwd and has interdiction links with a fed navy web going to 20km, then it has a chance. But it will be an extremely rough fight. ENI rail fit can beat navy desi’s even multiple of them. Brawling it might take one and a half of them down. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/178 "2022-11-17T17:20:16Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > No, I’ll cry if I want, complain if I want, and adapt or unsub, if I want as well. > > And there’s not a single thing you might say that will make a difference. I mean you can cry all you want. But crying nerf is lame and you know it 😃 > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > You use an active fit rupture for PvP ?. How you lose to less than 3 thrashers I have no idea as a rupture has cold autocannon dps of 340 to 540dps and drones ontop, a falloff of 20km , more dps and should have about 30k ehp against projectiles She got kited and smited basically. ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/179 "2022-11-17T19:51:03Z")
RIP cruisers ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/180 "2022-11-18T08:29:59Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > ENI rail fit can beat navy desi’s even multiple of them. > Brawling it might take one and a half of them down. Will have to give it a try, go ahead send me the fit via mail if you can, cheers ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/181 "2022-11-18T08:30:48Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I mean you can cry all you want. > > But crying nerf is lame and you know it 😃 Did I stutter ■■■■■ ? Do I care ? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673/182 "2022-11-18T08:50:33Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > Did I stutter ■■■■■ ? > > Do I care ? > > Nope. LOL so emotional over a vidya game. The shame of your crying is yours alone sis 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cruisers-now-almost-useless-thanks-to-navy-destroyers/383673.md?page=10)