# CSM 14 - All you need to know! **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 30, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040 "2019-04-30T13:50:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Liorah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/liorah/32/274987_2.png) [@Liorah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Liorah)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/81 "2019-05-07T23:41:32Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > The CSM exists for a couple of reasons. > > To consolidate opinion. > > To provide opinion on issues CCP isn’t yet willing to open to public discussion. (This is what the NDA is for). That’s the thing. CCP “listens” to a small handful of people and ignores the rest. In turn, those small handful of people talk with their own little circles and ignore the rest. So in general, you get lopsided and biased communication. But hey, if it works for them, I guess good on them. As a developer, they’ve certainly got the most ideal situation: let others worry about the masses while they just worry about a dozen or so. I can’t imagine any development company who would actually prefer to listen to the raging noise of a large playerbase when they could have it like this. ---
**Author:** ![PJHustle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pjhustle/32/387181_2.png) [@PJHustle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PJHustle)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/82 "2019-05-08T11:12:18Z")
@Liorah end to agree partially, I think we need to get more CSM members like Brisc, he was out there talking to everyone who he could reach getting opinions from friends, foes and people in between. The concept isn’t broken IMHO but getting people to vote for the right candidate is the part that needs more attention. That is something we as a community need to address ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/83 "2019-05-24T05:51:00Z")
I love how some CSM14 candidates are displaying their Killboards… …great way to show what sort of player you are… …interesting how many DICE, and other affiliated corps to those alliances we love to hate… …and one candidates even has this as part of their campaign; > [@Vote Xenuria for CSM 14](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-xenuria-for-csm-14/156108/1): > > **Endorsements** > [MinerBumping](http://www.minerbumping.com/2016/03/minerbumping-endorses-xenuria-for-csm11.html) I have to say the CSM this time around are interesting to say the least if these are the sort of players we’re getting. I can only hope CCP vets the candidates, I’m surprised they don’t elect a few players themselves who they have had good feedback from over the years, as we know there’s a number of players out there that just help follow players out to learn EVE and/or help players get ahead when the LARGE corps decide to roam on weaker players. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/84 "2019-05-24T06:02:21Z")
What’s wrong with minerbumping? You may not like the playstyles it talks about, but…sandbox. “…great way to show what sort of player you are…” What, people who blow up pixelships in a game where blowing up pixelships is a big part of the game? Not really seeing a problem. ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/85 "2019-05-25T12:25:27Z")
Only one group of players use it, and mostly in highsec on noobe players. ---
**Author:** ![Monasucks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/monasucks/32/249693_2.png) [@Monasucks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Monasucks)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/86 "2019-05-25T22:51:20Z")
Forgot to sign up in time… so leaving my thoughts here: > [@As I wanted to be a candidate for CSM this year of #EVEonline - but then forgot to sign up in time due to RL.. I though just write all my ideas down and leave them here free to pick and downvote by any haters](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/as-i-wanted-to-be-a-candidate-for-csm-this-year-of-eveonline-but-then-forgot-to-sign-up-in-time-due-to-rl-i-though-just-write-all-my-ideas-down-and-leave-them-here-free-to-pick-and-downvote-by-any-haters/161923): > > My thoughts about EVE. During my time playing EVE I lived through the huge amounts of changes CCP has done to the game. I stayed loyal to the game in high and low times. Looking at the player stats and the way evolved help me make a point and speak up to help the game stay here for another decade. I want this game to last another decade. Sadly with the current meta of the game I am afraid that it won’t. Thus I want to help EVE get back on track for every player and start looking more at the bi… ---
**Author:** ![Xenuria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xenuria/32/264531_2.png) [@Xenuria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xenuria)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/87 "2019-05-27T18:40:28Z")
> [@dewk](#): > > Only one group of players use it, and mostly in highsec on noobe players. Incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/88 "2019-05-27T21:25:39Z")
What f\*\*\*\*\* OPINION Steven? Your opinion on scanning window? CSM opinion on scanning window? It’s like I would be lecturing you about manufacturing and how to make website about it ( and I have zero to none knowledge about it). You suppose to be a bridge between players and CCP. None of you with excepcions like Brisc, did that in the past. There were no threads after summit like: CCP want to implement something, what do you think?. Spare me NDA crap. People have an opinion that CSM is NS blocs puppets and you don’t deny it. ---
**Author:** ![slphy\_vansyl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slphy_vansyl/32/176986_2.png) [@slphy\_vansyl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/slphy_vansyl)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/89 "2019-05-27T22:39:57Z")
#IdontCare ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/90 "2019-05-28T06:11:55Z")
Uhhh. I think you dont know what NDA means. It means we can’t talk about what ccp talks to us about, unless ccp ok it. So no, I won’t spare you that. ---
**Author:** ![Becham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/becham/32/327010_2.png) [@Becham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Becham)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/91 "2019-05-29T02:13:39Z")
CSM is just a lazy implementation of “we care” lip service paid to customers. If you (CCP) really want to know what players think about things…ASK LOTS OF PLAYERS. You can’t reasonably expect a half dozen volunteers to be a voice for tens of thousands of people because you can be sure that when they aren’t getting paid, they sure as hell won’t be able to ask anyone outside their relatively tiny circle. Who has time to survey 1000 players on their own dime? ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/92 "2019-05-29T05:13:30Z")
I wanted to write you an answer, but suddenly I start to realize I don’t care anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/93 "2019-05-29T07:06:11Z")
Tbh, I’m not too surprised. Common reaction with an indefensible position. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/94 "2019-05-29T07:31:55Z")
I don’t care either about CSM. Is a completely irrelevant entity, made by individuals neither truly representative or useful for the majority of EVE players. Is just a PR farce who make a bad mimic of a democratic institution and act as an lobbyist group for some nullsec players. Meh. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/95 "2019-05-29T07:34:29Z")
Like I wrote before, you consolidate who’s opinion? There waa only one CSM member active on forums lately, Brisc. Most of you are specialize players and don’t have expert knowledge on everything in this game, yet CCP is making the same mistake every year. They will know in advance on what things they will work, so they should ask players involved with that activity what they think about it. From my perspective CSM are useless. You keep getting my playstyles and tools for it worse year by year. If you want an analogy: it’s like I’ll be messing with manufacturing window and have zero knowledge about manufacturing in EvE. ---
**Author:** ![Nysta\_Miityew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nysta_miityew/32/132401_2.png) [@Nysta\_Miityew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nysta_Miityew)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/96 "2019-05-29T12:27:19Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > There waa only one CSM member active on forums lately There’s a lot of threads up about the new updates on the forums right now. Absolutely no CSM members have posted in them. Isn’t their entire purpose to be the voice of the players when it comes to updates? Actually in the entire month of May only Steve and Jin’taan have posted on the forums (outside of a couple CSM members posting ‘vote for me again’). ---
**Author:** ![Scarlett\_LaBlanc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlett_lablanc/32/358434_2.png) [@Scarlett\_LaBlanc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlett_LaBlanc)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/97 "2019-06-03T02:43:58Z")
I like the CSM, and generally support it. However, I have to agree with this comment. The current members and more importantly the candidates are simply not visible enough here. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/98 "2019-06-03T04:44:28Z")
How much more visible would you like? Or did you miss that I am a candidate? m ---
**Author:** ![Scarlett\_LaBlanc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlett_lablanc/32/358434_2.png) [@Scarlett\_LaBlanc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlett_LaBlanc)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/99 "2019-06-03T07:00:50Z")
Hey mike, Sorry I put you in that group. Yourself and @Steve_Ronuken I have seen frequently post. I know a few candidates are very visible in their own media, I don’t think a good chunk of the player base knows that exists though. It would be nice to see them have some engagement here in the forums. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Fractal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_fractal/32/260812_2.png) [@ISD\_Fractal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Fractal)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-all-you-need-to-know/156040/104 "2019-06-06T13:07:56Z")
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