# CSM 14 - Week 8 Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [August 13, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012 "2019-08-13T18:45:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dunk\_Dinkle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dunk_dinkle/32/319804_2.png) [@Dunk\_Dinkle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dunk_Dinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/1 "2019-08-13T18:45:25Z")
Here is a [CSM Update for Week 8](http://dunkdinkle.com/csm-14-week-8/) Please let me know if you have questions or concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/2 "2019-08-13T19:13:51Z")
> High sec mining is too safe and ganking is too hard. 🤔 You can gank Ventures in Atrons, Retrievers with a single Catalyst. A Hulk with 3 catas. A single Thrasher wrecks T1 industrials, T2 industrials and shiny frigates. A Rupture takes care of some more tanky things and a few Tornados make short work of DST. What is too hard about ganking? I never understood this particular claim. > How do I decide on what ideas and changes to support with the infinitesimal influence I have? You club any change out of some dev’s, CSM’s and player’s mind that is clearly going to yield unbalanced experiences. Supers and capitals should have never turned into ships that require this kind of active gameplay without properly curtailing their capabilities. Rorquals should have never been possible to multibox the way they are being multiboxed today. Very often it is very easy to see what to support and what to burn with white phosphorus fire. Wait and see while people get accustomed to their crappy OP toys is the worst of all possible design approaches. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/3 "2019-08-13T20:02:17Z")
Thanks for the update. If I would offer any request to you pre summit, it would be to try and convince CCP to REALLY listen to any advice that the CSM offers them…especially when it runs counter to the narrative/view that the devs currently have. I cannot count how many times either the CSM, players, even myself have communicated with CCP in some fashion and cautioned them on some gameplay that was either broken or could be gamed in the future only, only to be dismissed with “we don’t see ( a need for) it”. It is only months or years later when needed changes are made, usually with an admission by CCP that “we were surprised to discover…”. Perhaps a pre summit CSM group agreement to hyperfocus on just getting CCP to listen to the group’s years of in game experience and play would pay dividends. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/4 "2019-08-13T21:13:49Z")
Thanks for the update. Ill add my 2 cents, consider what needs to ve changed by CCP, and what things need to be changed by the players. 1 example i can give is when some people where askibg how to get more players into WH space. I dont think CCP needs to chanhe anything to make WHs easier, but when players find an anchoring structure and the owners cant defend it they lose the structure and many times thier will to attempt it again. This is a change players need to make to allow other groups to get in and increase the number of players in WH, blow up their ships still if you catch them, but give them a chance at starting a base up. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/5 "2019-08-14T02:48:59Z")
These CSM Update threads are all fine and great but where’s the interaction? You didn’t even reply to any of the suggestions in the last thread. ---
**Author:** ![Dunk\_Dinkle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dunk_dinkle/32/319804_2.png) [@Dunk\_Dinkle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dunk_Dinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/6 "2019-08-14T03:18:59Z")
What would you like me to reply? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/7 "2019-08-14T03:46:16Z")
Not sure why you would ask that question. Guess at the very least you could have just said ‘Thanks for posting, I’ll be sure to pass it along to CCP.’ Anyway, when I say Interaction, I’m talking about posting replies that are true and earnest, replies that show the players you’ve actually read and put some thought into their suggestions and concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_O\_Helm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_o_helm/32/154936_2.png) [@Mark\_O\_Helm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_O_Helm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/8 "2019-08-14T11:59:48Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > A Hulk with 3 catas. Pros only need one. [Hulk | Charlize Dion | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/78372354/) ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/9 "2019-08-15T03:07:34Z")
I think the NDA restrictions on the CSM need to be loosened for the CSM to be effective. It just really seems at this point that the CSM is in chains placed by CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/10 "2019-08-22T03:23:28Z")
After what happened with me, I am not at all surprised to see a reduced level of interaction here. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-14-week-8-update/182012/11 "2019-11-20T03:23:30Z")
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