# CSM 15 - All You Need to Know **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 21, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548 "2020-04-21T19:36:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/90 "2020-04-22T03:37:09Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > They’re there to represent all the players. They represent players, not areas of space or play styles. My point is that this is a video game and we don’t need to run some flawed real life democracy to get people who represent the community talking to CCP. Doing that at least at this point in the games life just means the CSM will compose almost entirely of nullsec bloc representatives. If thats what CCP wants or they don’t care and its merely a puppet show, then I guess job done lmao ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/91 "2020-04-22T03:39:36Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > My point is that this is a video game and we don’t need to run some flawed real life democracy to get people who represent the community talking to CCP. Doing that at least at this point in the games life just means the CSM will compose almost entirely of nullsec bloc representatives. > > If thats what CCP wants or they don’t care and its merely a puppet show, then I guess job done lmao If it’s just a puppet show, they’d just pick who gets it and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/92 "2020-04-22T03:43:28Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > If it’s just a puppet show, they’d just pick who gets it and be done with it. Side show is more what I meant. Just there to give the appearance they care about the communities input ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/93 "2020-04-22T03:52:01Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Just there to give the appearance they care about the communities input What is even your point here, friendo? What is the goal of this crusade of your’s? ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/94 "2020-04-22T03:57:03Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > What is even your point here, friendo? That with how the CSM is currently set up, it’s pretty pointless > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > What is the goal of this crusade of your’s? I don’t have one, I just like arguing 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Gneeznow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gneeznow/32/138237_2.png) [@Gneeznow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gneeznow)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/95 "2020-04-22T04:04:55Z")
Reminder to all that the CSM was formed as a pressure valve in the wake of CCP T20 spawning tech 2 blueprints for his pals and being caught (after of course CCP banned everyone who outed him and tried to cover it up) and the CSM has done nothing since its inception except act as a lobbyist group to the large organised nullsec groups with focused voting power. Voting for any of these clowns on the CSM makes you a useful idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/96 "2020-04-22T04:11:37Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > it’s pretty pointless So what, you want CCP to handpick you to represent the players? ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/97 "2020-04-22T04:18:50Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > So what, you want CCP to handpick you to represent the players? lmao what? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/98 "2020-04-22T04:27:41Z")
In what way would you like to see CCP pick CSM representatives that wouldn’t be “useless” in your point of view? ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/99 "2020-04-22T04:30:03Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > In what way would you like to see CCP pick CSM representatives that wouldn’t be “useless” in your point of view? I would like to see people read preceding posts ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/100 "2020-04-22T04:47:52Z")
Your proceeding posts don’t actually suggest any alternative. You just make weak attempts at insulting nullblocs. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/101 "2020-04-22T04:57:16Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Your proceeding posts don’t actually suggest any alternative. Not my fault you can’t follow and read a post chain > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > You just make weak attempts at insulting nullblocs. how am I insulting nullblocs? lmao 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/102 "2020-04-22T05:14:40Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > post chain > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Interference by CCP to have a more rounded CSM might be whats needed for the health of the game. Not an alternative. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > But whats the point of the representatives? For what reason are they there to ‘serve’? > > If it’s just to serve their own interests, whats the point? Not an alternative. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > My point is that this is a video game and we don’t need to run some flawed real life democracy to get people who represent the community talking to CCP. Doing that at least at this point in the games life just means the CSM will compose almost entirely of nullsec bloc representatives. Also not an alternative. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Side show is more what I meant. Yet again, not an alternative. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > That with how the CSM is currently set up, it’s pretty pointless Still, once more, not an alternative. So please, tell me, where is your alternative that your “preceding posts” was able to lay out in any meaningful detail? ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/103 "2020-04-22T05:57:10Z")
You seem a bit angry there friendo > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > In what way would you like to see CCP pick CSM representatives that wouldn’t be “useless” in your point of view? Have high/low/wh representation more forced. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > alternative Just dont bother with the whole thing, just hire a nullsec fc to work for them. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > You just make weak attempts at insulting nullblocs. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/104 "2020-04-22T05:58:48Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Have high/low/wh representation more forced. This has already been addressed by Brisc and other before him in preceding posts. CSM does not represent Security statuses. CSM represent PLAYERS as a collective. Looks like someone needs to take his own medicine and: > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > follow and read a post chain ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/105 "2020-04-22T06:07:44Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > This has already been addressed by Brisc and other before him in preceding posts. CSM does not represent Security statuses. CSM represent PLAYERS as a collective. ![pepedumb](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/8/d8a631a347d81e63b1e7a40240a97c0fa8e1f4ee.jpeg) You are pretty dim my friend. The whole argument I was having with him was that they aren’t representing the players as a collective, theyre representing mainly nullbloc players since they have large amounts of players organized underneath them that will vote for the same people. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > You just make weak attempts at insulting nullblocs. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/106 "2020-04-22T06:48:31Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > The whole argument I was having with him was that they aren’t representing the players as a collective, theyre representing mainly nullbloc players Well, then you’re being pretty impressively dumb, what with that whole ‘arguing with an ex-CSM member from null who put thousands of man-hours into trying to represent the interests of wormholers, FW pilots, and high-sec and telling him he didn’t do exactly what he quite blatantly did’ thing. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/107 "2020-04-22T07:11:09Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Well, then you’re being pretty impressively dumb, what with that whole ‘arguing with an ex-CSM member from null who put thousands of man-hours into trying to represent the interests of wormholers, FW pilots, and high-sec and telling him he didn’t do exactly what he quite blatantly did’ thing. You’re just as dumb as scoots, are you his alt? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/108 "2020-04-22T07:18:32Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > The whole argument I was having with him was that they aren’t representing the players as a collective, theyre representing mainly nullbloc players since they have large amounts of players organized underneath them that will vote for the same people. And yet despite all of that, you’ve still failed to answer my original question. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > what way would you like to see CCP pick CSM representatives that wouldn’t be “useless” in your point of view? So all I’ve seen from you is. 1. you like to argue (without any valid points), and 2. you don’t actually know what you’re talking about since all you want to do is just “argue” ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548/109 "2020-04-22T07:27:04Z")
It is also why the CSM will never be representative of “Eve”. Just another example of laziness on the part of CCP - Near enough is good enough.,. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-all-you-need-to-know/234548.md?page=6)