# CSM and CCP, stop screwing us over **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [April 6, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783 "2019-04-06T01:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/221 "2020-02-09T13:27:29Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > If you want common sense He does not. Common sense when used by this person, refers only to his opinion. He can’t even define what common sense is, and has no idea what logic actually is. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/222 "2020-02-09T13:33:31Z")
Awe, AG is trying to troll…how cute. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/223 "2020-02-09T20:01:29Z")
I didn’t say you did. CCP did though. You are the one then trying to use the fact CCP made them defenceless to say “but Indies aren’t combat pilots” when CCP made them that way. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/224 "2020-02-09T22:56:51Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > defenceless to say “but Indies aren’t combat pilots” when CCP made them that way. You are confusing ships and pilots… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/225 "2020-02-09T23:41:24Z")
No I’m not. People usually start specialised to some extent. CCPs design has a strong impact on how a player develops. The design discourages indi pilots from training or interacting with combats. CCP designated them prey by design so their entire gameplay is built around avoiding combat as much as possible. It’s a basic stick and carrot behaviour training system. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/226 "2020-02-09T23:48:04Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > People usually start specialised to some extent. People can have more than one character…a combat and an indi fore example. My point is that most indi types don’t play for PvP but rather PvE in the first place so the guys doing the mining/hauling/PI need to have others in their corp that focus more on the PvP for protection. This generally doesn’t happen though as can be seen by all the 1-man corps owning stations so that the main corp can avoid WDs. > “Indy vessels defenceless” You also originally were talking about ships, not characters so… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/227 "2020-02-09T23:51:39Z")
Those goalposts, they run so fast. Now it’s PvP only, PvE doesn’t count… Sit back. Count to 10. And work out what you are actually wanting to say. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/228 "2020-02-10T00:06:52Z")
PvP and PvE are not the same thing…does that need to be explained to you? Sit back. Count to 10. And work out what you are actually wanting to say. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/229 "2020-02-21T14:04:45Z")
the csm is supposed to represent the playerbase as a whole not just niche corners.d…so to please explain to me How can the Csm be properly representing the playerbase when CCP is robbing us all again over the moons…10 years ago they let the game rob people for years with pos modules that did not need any moon goo inputs and somehow dident Notice that broken crap. now we have a decent system with no reason to change it but you are letting them change it for no good reason and it is not going to work as intended and is only slaughtering the people like me who have 1 good moon they latched on to. take mine for instance cinnabar/crokite/gniess/smidge of butimins …why am i being robbed of this out of the blue? please to explain to me my csm why? in addition why have i been robbed of every ability to alt mine with my 2nd account in hi sec? why does everything slaughter my barges and mining drones so hard now that i need to watrch bloody paint dry mining in hisec to not get slaughtered by dammed triglavian poo poo nwhile i actually play my main why is that again? why have you not prevented these kinds of changes from Ccp ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/230 "2020-02-21T14:28:57Z")
It sounds like you should run for CSM! ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/231 "2020-02-21T14:31:37Z")
i would not be able to attend CSM properly ---
**Author:** ![Yuuki\_Inko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuuki_inko/32/388414_2.png) [@Yuuki\_Inko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuuki_Inko)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/232 "2020-02-21T14:37:31Z")
My answer to the starting post of this toppic. PvP players cannot kill you. You have local chat. If you do not dock when PvP player enters your system, that means you want pvp. Otherwise you are afk without botting program, that docks you automaticaly. That means you are at fault here. Second. I agree that CCP is doing changes only for the sake of changes, without valid reason. Absolutely unecessary. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/233 "2020-02-21T15:10:48Z")
> [@SeerinDarkness](#): > > the csm is supposed to represent the playerbase as a whole not just niche corners.d…so to please explain to me How can the Csm be properly representing the playerbase when CCP is robbing us all again over the moons…10 years ago they let the game rob people for years with pos modules that did not need any moon goo inputs and somehow dident Notice that broken crap. > now we have a decent system with no reason to change it but you are letting them change it for no good reason and it is not going to work as intended and is only slaughtering the people like me who have 1 good moon they latched on to. take mine for instance cinnabar/crokite/gniess/smidge of butimins …why am i being robbed of this out of the blue? please to explain to me my csm why? > in addition why have i been robbed of every ability to alt mine with my 2nd account in hi sec? why does everything slaughter my barges and mining drones so hard now that i need to watrch bloody paint dry mining in hisec to not get slaughtered by dammed triglavian poo poo nwhile i actually play my main why is that again? > why have you not prevented these kinds of changes from Ccp The casualties of the highsec nerf are many, sadly many don’t see you or actually are happy that you are having trouble seerindarkness. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/234 "2020-02-21T15:56:06Z")
i game on my i3 laptop with 8 gig ram and my 7 year old asus 22in 1 ms screen i dont have 6 comps running 3 screens and 9 clients each as a botnet or some other crap i pay for 2 accounts and i alt tab between them i dont run 3rd party ■■■■ programs…but just about every usefullness of my alt tab hisec operation has been robbed from me along with my money for said actt …as for the people happy that i am having issues with being robbed, eventually griefing cocksucking basdtards get theirs in the end. ---
**Author:** ![SeerinDarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seerindarkness/32/181638_2.png) [@SeerinDarkness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeerinDarkness)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/235 "2020-02-21T15:59:15Z")
and people who are scrambling to make changes for changes sake like this, are nothing more than desperate people trying to justify their JOB to someone else! ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/236 "2020-02-21T16:53:25Z")
> i game on my i3 laptop with 8 gig ram and my 7 year old asus 22in 1 ms screen i dont have 6 comps running 3 screens and 9 clients each as a botnet or some other crap i pay for 2 accounts and i alt tab between them i dont run 3rd party ■■■■ programs…but just about every usefullness of my alt tab hisec operation has been robbed from me along with my money for said actt …as for the people happy that i am having issues with being robbed, eventually griefing cocksucking basdtards get theirs in the end. Agreed, people like you quit the game, CCP loses money, and they get it in the end when the game closes. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/237 "2020-02-21T16:54:38Z")
> and people who are scrambling to make changes for changes sake like this, are nothing more than desperate people trying to justify their JOB to someone else! A few years ago the community was much more toxic, luckily many of them have left the game and many continue to do so, give it some time and demographics will render them irrelevant, since more and more players who won’t tolerate toxicity join eve. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/238 "2020-02-21T17:51:00Z")
The toxic part is being spam mailed, bumped for mining and harrassed in local by your corp mates. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/239 "2020-02-21T22:44:17Z")
> [@SeerinDarkness](#): > > why does everything slaughter my barges and mining drones so hard now that i need to watrch bloody paint dry mining in hisec to not get slaughtered by dammed triglavian poo poo nwhile i actually play my main why is that again? Boo hoo. STFU and go back to WoW, nobody cares that your AFK farming operation isn’t producing as much zero-risk, zero-effort income as you want. > How can the Csm be properly representing the playerbase when CCP is robbing us all again over the moons… Because some people are smart enough to understand that scarcity drives prices upward and benefits the players who are smart enough to exploit the opportunity, while convincing CCP to make the game easier and give everyone more income just creates inflation and devalues the success of the smart players. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783/241 "2020-02-21T22:49:16Z")
> The toxic part is being spam mailed, bumped for mining and harrassed in local by your corp mates. Lol wut, that does not happen. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-and-ccp-stop-screwing-us-over/150783.md?page=12)