# CSM elections: how exactly do they work? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 4, 2018, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490 "2018-06-04T07:55:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/21 "2018-06-04T17:26:59Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Even if so, doesn’t this give a lot of advantage to a group of players who vote the exact same list in the exact same order? Yes, it does. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/22 "2018-06-04T17:37:02Z")
I’m living in Lowsec and my alliance Leader didn’t tell me who to vote. I used my votes to support reliable, longterm involved players who have shown in practise that they care about a good game for everyone. Some of them were on the CSM before like @Steve_Ronuken and @Suitonia, others weren’t. I didn’t vote for any Nullsec block candidate, mostly because I don’t see them reaching out to the entirety of the EVE community. I also didn’t vote for people who first reached out to the EVE community during their CSM campaign, because I personally think they should have proven their involvement independent from that. Anyhow, everyone should make up their own mind, look at what the candidates have done for EVE in the past and definitely go and vote. There are a lot of good candidates this year, almost sad you can’t vote them all. Make sure to put in more than one candidate in your list, otherwise your vote could end up having no effect. If someone tries to bully you into voting/not voting a candidate, ignore it. Just vote. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/23 "2018-06-04T17:45:53Z")
> [@Cygnus\_Parud](#): > > Yes, this is not at all a troll/propaganda thread. It’s not. I tried to understand which specific version of STV is used for the CSM elections. Trying to do that helped me understand STV in general much better and now I also know that CSM elections are using the Wright system and I’m still in the process figuring out possible caveats of using this method under the specific circumstances in EVE. No matter what, I absolutely recommend everyone to vote., even if any system might have its problems. Feel free to share your opinion on it too. ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/24 "2018-06-04T18:00:40Z")
They works as Nana already explained and with a parody image btw > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Simplest I can explain: > > You vote for A in the first place, but… > A gets the lowest number of votes > so they take your second vote - B > Because B gathered a lot of votes from everybody else, being voted in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/25 "2018-06-04T18:07:20Z")
They look the same, but actually the different types of STV are quite different in their inner workings and in a way their outcome too. (Compare Wright / CPO / Hare etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Drago\_Shouna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drago_shouna/32/350651_2.png) [@Drago\_Shouna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drago_Shouna)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/26 "2018-06-04T18:08:30Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Anyway, dont vote traitors. LOL, are the tears still flowing? I see lots of players on the forums trolling others for not accepting that a playstyle is allowed all the time and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen you in that group at some point, yet here you are all butthurt because someone used an allowed tactic. I’m going to vote for him just for the hell of it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/27 "2018-06-04T18:12:27Z")
Because I replied to Nana before, I wanted to add that me not voting for him has nothing to do with the Goon/CO2 thing that happened. He simply didn’t make any impression as a CSM to me. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/28 "2018-06-04T19:22:19Z")
It’s a Wright STV ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/29 "2018-06-04T19:23:47Z")
Grrrrrr… null-sec. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/30 "2018-06-04T19:30:24Z")
Arrrrrr… low-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/31 "2018-06-04T19:33:26Z")
He made a bad impression as a player who doesnt stand to expectations from his corpmates, also looked like a tool in the end. As for CSM, I didnt noticed him at all. If treason is why people would have to remember him, he would better be forgotten, better for him. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/32 "2018-06-04T19:41:29Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > CSM elections: how exactly do they work? Badly. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/33 "2018-06-04T19:42:52Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/0/5021085f6ac6328aa0d2f19b800d55a9ae1b01ff.png) ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/34 "2018-06-05T05:18:50Z")
> [@Drago\_Shouna](#): > > yet here you are all butthurt because someone used an allowed tactic no no no no no This is someone who hatched a plan during an all (?) expenses paid jolly from Australia to Iceland, or wherever else “The Summit” was held. A Summit that was also held in order for “The Judge” to represent you, “_the people_”. Interesting tactic and an example of “gaming” mechanics not open to many of us in EvE. This is someone who is also currently campaigning to again be a “ **_people’s_** representative” on the grounds that CCP asked him to be one. Otherwise he wasn’t going to. Interesting dynamic that one. This is someone who is now spruiking their previously reluctant candidature on the basis that it is good to have someone “bad” (their word) on the CSM. The irony that being bad at CSM as a _representative_, including on the above two grounds, may or may not be in his cheek with his tongue. > [@Drago\_Shouna](#): > > I’m going to vote for him just for the hell of it And that doll, is just exactly what you will likely still do, regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Elaniera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elaniera/32/304598_2.png) [@Elaniera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elaniera)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/35 "2018-06-05T05:30:33Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Feel free to share your opinion on it too. I feel that there is a very well laid out how to vote card on the INN: > **[2018 CSM 13 Elections Begin Today! - INN](https://imperium.news/2018-csm-13-elections-begin-today/)** > > Elections for the 13th Council of Stellar Management opened today, June 4, and will continue until noon… I recommend everyone vote that way. This will ensure the CSM is best placed to provide focused feedback for CCP over the coming year. ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/36 "2018-06-05T05:53:51Z")
> [@Elaniera](#): > > I feel that there is a very well laid out how to vote card on the INN: > [@Elaniera](#): > > I recommend everyone vote that way. I voted for 1 / 10. I guess that means I have more in common than I realised with _The Imperium_ … whoever **they** are. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/37 "2018-06-05T05:56:41Z")
My main gripe with Wright STV is that at the end of the day, you don’t elect anyone, rather an algorithm does it for you. Your vote could even have elected some dude you’d rather not see anywhere near the position. Anyway it’s obscure, nerdy and ludicrously complicated, so it suits well to EVE, and overall the chances of you as a player benefitting in any way from voting the CSM are both uncountable and neglectable. ---
**Author:** ![Elaniera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elaniera/32/304598_2.png) [@Elaniera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elaniera)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/38 "2018-06-05T06:05:37Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > rather an algorithm does it for you. Mittens has much more personality than that, but he is very efficient, so calling him an algorithm works I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Kachiko\_Sama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kachiko_sama/32/19217_2.png) [@Kachiko\_Sama](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kachiko_Sama)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/39 "2018-06-05T09:22:36Z")
This has to be the single dumbest criticism of a voting structure I have ever seen. Guess what, even the simplest voting system possible (probably first past the post) is an algorithm. As for all the other whinging in this thread about the issues with STV. There are proofs that it’s impossible to maximize everything you would want and instead you have to settle for ‘least bad’ which i for one think Wright’s does just fine. (reading assignment : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's\_impossibility\_theorem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem) ) Now get out there and damn well vote instead of whining. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490/40 "2018-06-05T09:45:12Z")
> [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > > > CSM elections: how exactly do they work? > > Badly. Short, but true. They need to put up a list of all the things CSMs have done for EVE and also what they’ve messed up, and not only make promises on what they want to do next, so we can see who is actually good and gets things done. Until then does it not matter much how the votes are spread. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-elections-how-exactly-do-they-work/80490.md?page=3)