# CSM Member Distribution **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 18, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100 "2018-09-18T00:55:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/336 "2018-09-20T11:56:49Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So it says that specifically? > > Can you quote or link that please? Id like to read it. Cba. If it doesnt, it should. Certainly thats how it was presented/advertised for the program to begin in the first place. And now is all the more forceful argument to discontinue it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/337 "2018-09-20T12:00:52Z")
Why? Tbh I havent seen a convincing argument why it shouldnt be this way other than “because I dont benefit”. I dont know much about the CSM but if its based on a democratic process then of course the most organised, richest vested interests will grab the power. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/338 "2018-09-20T12:01:33Z")
> **[Reddit - The heart of the internet](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4eeewi/eli5_the_t20_scandal/)** > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > the most organised, richest vested interests will grab the power. BoB was the richest too. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/339 "2018-09-20T12:04:00Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I dont know much about the CSM but if its based on a democratic process then of course the most organised, richest vested interests will grab the power. This can be remedied, by simply applying a 1max member from any Corp/Alliance, to occupy a CSM seat. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/340 "2018-09-20T12:04:44Z")
Why should it be? Thats not how democracy works ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/341 "2018-09-20T12:05:31Z")
Yeah, then they had an “accident” 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/342 "2018-09-20T12:05:43Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Why should it be? So as to prevent any Corp/Alliance gaining too much influence/representation on the CSM. 1 member each, is enough. Currently its not the best candidates being elected, its the ones from Corps/Alliances that want their guys on the CSM to influence game development, in their interests. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/344 "2018-09-20T12:09:44Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yeah, then they had an “accident” 😄 Just like CCP had acident with chinese singularity server. It turns out devs there were really into pockets of players. Players even directly bought in game stuff from chinese operators of server. 🤫 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/345 "2018-09-20T12:10:27Z")
Right, and on what basis do you oppose those interests? Whose rights are you seeking to protect? ---
**Author:** ![Sakura\_Hoshizora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sakura_hoshizora/32/207431_2.png) [@Sakura\_Hoshizora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sakura_Hoshizora)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/346 "2018-09-20T12:10:28Z")
A lot of federations have limited seatings for their members so that the larger members can’t dictate policy to their smaller members. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/348 "2018-09-20T12:12:39Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Whose rights are you seeking to protect? CSM is not about rights of anyone. Its about an intermediary body between players and CCP. Its not possible to overlook the concerns involved in 3/10 CSM being GoonWaffe, as them somehow being uniquely immune to ingame politics while carrying that tag. What if next year its 6 GoonWaffe CSM? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/349 "2018-09-20T12:13:49Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > CSM is not about rights of anyone. > > Its about an intermediary body between players and CCP. And thats not about the rights of players? Fair enough, I assumed it was. Never mind then. If it has nothing to do with me, then go ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/350 "2018-09-20T12:14:58Z")
Yeah but he still has avoided the basis of all of this, so Im not going to attempt to persue it. I know where it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/352 "2018-09-20T12:16:39Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What if next year its 6 GoonWaffe CSM? Then boo ■■■■■■■ hoo no one cares CSM don’t take decisions about the game, CCP do ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/353 "2018-09-20T12:28:39Z")
> [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > Then boo ■■■■■■■ hoo no one cares The rest of null would care if it would be composed of some other highly effective organized bodies beside Imperium. So, actually no one beside Imperium. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/354 "2018-09-20T12:36:01Z")
Yeah… Except its an advisory board not a Federation or government ---
**Author:** ![Sakura\_Hoshizora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sakura_hoshizora/32/207431_2.png) [@Sakura\_Hoshizora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sakura_Hoshizora)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/355 "2018-09-20T12:36:36Z")
You talked about democracies. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/356 "2018-09-20T12:40:01Z")
And a Federation does not have to be democratic by definition. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/357 "2018-09-20T12:49:12Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And a Federation does not have to be democratic by definition. CSM is not a Federation, by any stretch of definition… What objection do you have to a 1 max limit on a CSM seat from any one Corp/Alliance? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/358 "2018-09-20T12:51:48Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > CSM is not a Federation, by any stretch of definition… I wasnt the one claiming it was. Why reply to me about it? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100.md?page=16)