# CSM Member Distribution **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 18, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100 "2018-09-18T00:55:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Farr\_Arrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/farr_arrow/32/243365_2.png) [@Farr\_Arrow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Farr_Arrow)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/183 "2018-09-19T16:59:15Z")
I also strongly believe that there is plenty of room within Eve for pilots like Salvos Rhoska to express whatever their opinions are about anything and everything. I would really hope that nobody would fall into the trap of wanting to report Salvos for expressing his own personal viewpoint and opinions, whatever they may be. I can only hope that everyone will always feel free to attack any pilot’s ideas and opinions and dreams and that nobody will ever fall into the trap of reporting someone with whom you may _violently_ disagree with please. Just go get the whatever _violence_ needs to be done according to the rules that we all live and die by within the crazy laws of the Eve Universe. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/185 "2018-09-19T17:01:18Z")
😃 That’s fine I like you already hahah ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/187 "2018-09-19T17:08:32Z")
I utterly refute that I’m being bought. No-one has, or will, ever caused me to support something. I have received no income for being on the CSM. Clear enough? I doubt, however, you’re going to believe me, or that there is _anything_ I can do to make you believe me. You’re deliberately misquoting me, with regards to the income I have from Patreon. You’re ignoring that the income and more is entirely swallowed by the costs I have to run the services which I run (for free, for all eve players) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/188 "2018-09-19T17:15:14Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > You’re ignoring that the income and more is entirely swallowed by the costs I have to run the services which I run (for free, for all eve players) If you operate your sites at a loss, thats your choice to do so. That doesnt change that any and all donation via Patreon offset your loss as overhead, and as 3rd party sites, earn CCP nothing. By your own testimony, you have only earned $88 in all preceding years combined, yet this year you suddenly expect $552. That stinks. Badly. Either you are very bad at accounting, or you are obfuscating those accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/189 "2018-09-19T17:18:58Z")
> [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](#): > > because you don’t actually play the game but that would purely be a guess Not really a guess. There is plenty circumstantial evidence which shows he is indeed noty playing the game. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/190 "2018-09-19T17:20:13Z")
Nope. Not by my testimony. By your willful misinterpretation of facts I have provided. You do not have enough information to judge how much income I had in 2016. Or 2017. or 2018. What you have is the income for the period of july 2016, to the current data. That is $640 You _also_ have my current donation rate. which is $46. What you don’t have is the peaks and troughs in between (other than my mention of a single month where I had a donation rate of $48) This means that any conjecture that you have is just that. Conjecture. But you seem intent on smearing me. Why is that? That stinks. Badly. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/192 "2018-09-19T17:26:37Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > as 3rd party sites, earn CCP nothing. > > Still an outright lie. CCP has not earned even one cent off fuzzworks website, not any other site by Steve. Thats a cold, hard fact. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/193 "2018-09-19T17:26:40Z")
He’s apparently never heard of links for a start. IIRC there’s several direct links to CCP on Fuzzworks, any of which could have indirectly earned CCP money > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > CCP has earned even one cent off fuuzworks website, not any other site by Steve. > > Thats a cold, hard fact. See above. We’ll add how the world wide web works to the evergrowing list of stuff you don’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/196 "2018-09-19T17:29:55Z")
None of which refutes that CCP hasnt earned a single cent on them, and in this case, all donated revenue goes to Steve. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/198 "2018-09-19T17:32:27Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > they do earn through increased revenue from EVE How much revenue has Steve earned for CCP? Is that also not a concern, considering he has been a CSM for 5years running? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/199 "2018-09-19T17:32:52Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > all donated revenue goes to Steve It goes to his hosting provider. He isn’t trying to make money, he’s offsetting the cost of providing a free service to his fellow Eve players. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/201 "2018-09-19T17:33:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ask CCP. I can tell you. None. Zero. Only Steve is getting the money donated to him. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/203 "2018-09-19T17:36:06Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I can tell you for sure I wouldn’t have run quite as many accounts as I did if I didn’t have access to his site to produce the marketing tools I use. Thats up to you, but doesnt change that only Steve gets the donations to his Patreon, not CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/205 "2018-09-19T17:38:41Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You;re claiming that CCP have made no money off of the existence of his site, which is false. Prove CCP has made one cent off the Steves site. Prove that any of the donations he receives end up in CCPs pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/206 "2018-09-19T17:38:49Z")
Feel free to report @Steve_Ronuken for this to @CCP_Falcon and see what the response is. I’m pretty sure you will find everyone involved is 100% OK with how things are ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/207 "2018-09-19T17:39:36Z")
tbh, _no-one_ can quantify the income a third party site provides for CCP. Have I caused some people to start additional accounts, to do industry with? (as it scales well) Anecdotally, at least a few. How long did they produce income? No clue. I’ve not tracked the people who have mailed me about it. And there are people who used my referral code to start accounts. Can I claim them? Probably not. Does this have _any_ relevance to me being on the CSM? Nope, none at all. Could I ‘make’ more money by not running the sites? Yep. Because I spend more on them than I get. Of course, from what you’re saying here, you’d not be happy unless no-one but CCP had any income (regardless of outgoing costs. Say goodbye to any killboard, or alliance infrastructure) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/208 "2018-09-19T17:41:34Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > Does this have _any_ relevance to me being on the CSM? Nope, none at all. Is it correct that in all preceding years, you have only receives $88, and now this year expect $552? You claimed $640 as your gross revenue total since you began the site and being CSM. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/210 "2018-09-19T17:44:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Since you’re such a well known player Well played sir! 😂😂😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/211 "2018-09-19T17:44:56Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Prove that any of the donations he receives end up in CCPs pocket. We already know that the donations from Steve’s free service go towards hosting and that CCP don’t get a piece of that particular, very small, pie. CCP are fine with that as they allow 3rd party sites to do exactly that. Which part of that do you find hard to understand? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/212 "2018-09-19T17:45:44Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Therefore Steve has directly been responsible for the creation of 6 accounts which I did with cash. How many of those 6 are subbed by cash, and for how long? That Steve made that possible for you, does not mean the donations he has received are passed into CCP, even by a cent. They go to Steves pocket, only. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100.md?page=10)