# CSM Vote Result confusion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954 "2020-06-14T12:53:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/327 "2020-06-20T15:42:30Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Is all of this necessary? If it acts like a snake and talks like a snake, it’s probably a snake. If you don’t like being called a snake then perhaps don’t do things irl and ingame that make you sound and act like one. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/328 "2020-06-20T15:46:57Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > If it acts like a snake and talks like a snake, it’s probably a snake. If you don’t like being called a snake then perhaps don’t do things irl and ingame that make you sound and act like one. I’ve never done anything in game or IRL that would lead anybody to this conclusion. I wish you guys would stop making things up about me. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/330 "2020-06-20T16:19:44Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > You keep defending the US political system. I have been defending myself, that’s it. You guys can believe whatever you want to believe about our political system. I’m certainly not going to change your minds on it, nor do I really care to. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/331 "2020-06-20T16:22:30Z")
Well then, I find myself in the rare position of being able to provide somebody with useful feedback - you are coming across as defending the system, not yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/332 "2020-06-20T16:35:14Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I have been defending myself, that’s it. All anyone has to do is scroll up to see this is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/333 "2020-06-20T16:37:14Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > All anyone has to do is scroll up to see this is a lie. If they scroll up, they will see me defending myself, as a politician, against the charges you guys have been slinging around about “every” politician. I think I said, maybe twice, that our system is no worse than any other. Not really a defense. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/334 "2020-06-20T16:40:51Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > no worse than any other A very watered down version of American exceptionalism. It would be like saying that the US public transit system is “no worse than any other” - obviously the US system is worse than others!! ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/335 "2020-06-20T16:51:50Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I think I said Scroll up and you’ll know what you said. Or don’t. It’s up to you. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/336 "2020-06-20T16:52:56Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > A very watered down version of American exceptionalism. It would be like saying that the US public transit system is “no worse than any other” - obviously the US system is worse than others!! Our system works for us, for the most part. It has it’s flaws. It probably wouldn’t work anywhere else. But when it comes to things like corruption, our system is better than many, maybe worse than a few - I only studied comparative politics for a couple of years, so I’m not an expert on it. But at least when I google it, I find we’re in the top 25 cleanest countries in terms of perceptions of corruption, our of almost 200. > **[Corruption Perceptions Index](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)** > > The Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) is an index that scores and ranks countries by their perceived levels of public sector corruption, as assessed by experts and business executives. The CPI generally defines corruption as an "abuse of entrusted power for private gain".: 2  The index is published annually by the non-governmental organisation Transparency International since 1995. > The 2023 CPI, published in January 2024, currently ranks 180 countries "on a scale from 100 (very clean) to 0 (h... In the end, I don’t think you’re going to find a really fair way to compare political systems to determine if one is “better” or “worse” than another - whatever metrics you choose are going to get attacked by others as being biased. > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Scroll up and you’ll know what you said. Or don’t. It’s up to you. I did. I said twice that our system was no worse than any other. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/337 "2020-06-20T17:15:09Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Is all of this necessary? Necessary, no. Correct, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/338 "2020-06-20T17:16:28Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I think I said, maybe twice, that our system is no worse than any other. But your system is way worse than many. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/339 "2020-06-20T17:25:42Z")
The concept of having a job based on merit is compeletely alien to him. Best just let it drop. Edit: Lying and scheming are not merits suitable to good governance. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/340 "2020-06-20T17:42:49Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I said twice that our system was no worse than any other. You also said it wasn’t as corrupt. Which means you are admitting it is corrupt. Just not as corrupt. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/341 "2020-06-20T17:45:22Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > The concept of having a job based on merit is compeletely alien to him. > > Best just let it drop. You’re right. Better to let it drop. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/342 "2020-06-20T18:05:39Z")
ITT: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/a/8a34cfe0f97d3a118a98db7a74fed05c5298e2c2.jpeg "Monty Python Witch Burning Trial Clip HD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2xlQaimsGg) ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/343 "2020-06-20T18:10:49Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > The concept of having a job based on merit is compeletely alien to him. Where have I ever said anything that would remotely lead you to believe this? Every job should be on merit. But we know that’s not how it always works. > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > You also said it wasn’t as corrupt. Which means you are admitting it is corrupt. Just not as corrupt. Every system has corruption. I said it wasn’t as corrupt as you guys think it is. There’s a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/344 "2020-06-20T18:23:16Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I said it wasn’t as corrupt as you guys think it is. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. I say it is absolutely as corrupt as I think it is. If not more so. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/345 "2020-06-20T18:27:10Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. I say it is absolutely as corrupt as I think it is. If not more so. How do you know? You have no experience with it. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/346 "2020-06-20T19:27:24Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > You have no experience with it. Okay, Kreskin. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/347 "2020-06-20T22:40:32Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Okay, Kreskin If I’m wrong, feel free to correct me. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954.md?page=17)