# CSM Vote Result confusion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954 "2020-06-14T12:53:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/348 "2020-06-20T22:49:16Z")
I know you’re wrong. That’s good enough for me. You are near the bottom of the list of people I would give my employment and education history to. If you found out I was the guy signing your cheque in RL, you’d still find a way to twist the story to make you look good and the rest of humanity bad. I’ll just use your own quote back at you here: > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > All of this stuff is opinion. You saying it doesn’t make it true. My opinion is different. You’re entitled to yours, no matter how poorly it’s crafted or how uninformed. And yours is most definitely poorly crafted and uniformed. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/349 "2020-06-20T22:51:12Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Where have I ever said anything that would remotely lead you to believe this? Right there: > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > the decisions are political ones Medical decisions are medical ones, civil planning are usually civil engineering etc. The political system wastes time and resources not only making them “political decisions” in stead of practical ones, they assign people who have no experience to making the decisions. Managers are not experts and that is the exact problem. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/350 "2020-06-20T22:51:44Z")
So, not an American, telling an American politician you know more about the corruption in the American political system than he does. And you guys think I’m arrogant, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/351 "2020-06-20T22:56:13Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Medical decisions are medical ones, The decision over where to put resources isn’t a medical one. It’s a political one. Because there’s a finite set of resources and somebody has to set the priorities. Still have no idea what that has to do with you thinking I don’t believe in merit. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/352 "2020-06-20T22:59:20Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > The decision over where to put resources isn’t a medical one. That kind of thinking is why we have too many managers and not enough nurses. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > somebody has to set the priorities. Yes, so why is it someone with say a law degree and not someone familiar with those resources and their application? > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Still have no idea what that has to do with you thinking I don’t believe in merit. Because you support a system thats a popularity contest and not one which chooses people for position based on their capabilities within the role they are needed. And no, being good at fast talking and talking down to the proles isnt whats needed. Thats whats got us most of the problems we still have today. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/353 "2020-06-20T23:03:56Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > The decision over where to put resources isn’t a medical one. People like you are the reason things like the FDA declaring pizza a vegetable happen. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/354 "2020-06-20T23:05:17Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > That kind of thinking is why we have too many managers and not enough nurses. While I agree with you, that particular problem is ours, not his. In terms of health services the US has much bigger fish to fry, while they might have all the kit and medical staff their health system isn’t anything of the sort IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/355 "2020-06-20T23:06:16Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yes, so why is it someone with say a law degree and not someone familiar with those resources and their application? There’s no reason why it can’t be. My governor’s a doctor. There’s nothing precluding those folks from running for office. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Because you support a system thats a popularity contest and not one which chooses people for position based on their capabilities within the role they are needed. The system that I support doesn’t do that - again, as I explained before, we don’t have elected officials running administrative agencies. You guys do - that’s a quirk of your system. I am not defending your system to you - if you don’t like your system, that’s fair. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/356 "2020-06-20T23:06:56Z")
It is illustrative of the issue. The US has a fardifferent problem medically, but the fact that medical resources in NY are being loaned to the city and will be removed for other areas when someone who isnt a doctor or medical professional decides to kinda shows they do have resource issues theyd rather not have. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/357 "2020-06-20T23:08:28Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > People like you are the reason things like the FDA declaring pizza a vegetable happen. Which never happened, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/358 "2020-06-20T23:10:09Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > My governor’s a doctor. How on earth does that support your point? > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > The system that I support doesn’t do that - again, as I explained before, we don’t have elected officials running administrative agencies. So what is it that gets decided on the Hill then? What to have for dinner? Edit: Given my position is “All politicians I have encountered with a few minor exceptions are frauds” I dont see why the specifics of which democratic system it is is relevent. You keep bending it around to a “You dont understand the US” and my point is “A political profession is self serving no matter what country it is operating in” ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/359 "2020-06-20T23:11:23Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > What to have for dinner? That’s easy, Pizza; which isn’t classed as a vegetable, although I believe the sauce is. Followed by Brawndo, it’s got electrolytes. Sorry Brisc, couldn’t resist. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/360 "2020-06-20T23:16:02Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > How on earth does that support your point? Your issue is that non-medical people were placed in charge of medical agencies in the UK, and were thus making what you considered to be “medical” decisions without having the experience or training to do so. My point is that there’s nothing precluding medical people from running for office and then being in a position to be placed in charge of medical agencies and thus make those decisions. You don’t need to be a lawyer to run for Parliament, anymore than you need to be a lawyer to run for Governor of a US state. Our Governor is a doctor and did that all during his time in the legislature until he was elected Governor. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So what is it that gets decided on the Hill then? What to have for dinner? A ton of things, but the two biggest things are the authorization of programs and agencies and the appropriations of funds to programs and agencies. Thus, they decide where the resources go, for the most part. The agencies then administer the programs Congress creates. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Given my position is “All politicians I have encountered with a few minor exceptions are frauds” I dont see why the specifics of which democratic system it is is relevent. You keep bending it around to a “You dont understand the US” and my point is “A political profession is self serving no matter what country it is operating in” I am responding to specifically to your point that you seem to think I don’t believe in merit for getting a job. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/361 "2020-06-20T23:17:57Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > My point is that there’s nothing precluding medical people from running for office My point is if the office has anything to do with how medical aid is provided they should HAVE to run for it. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > the two biggest things are the authorization of programs and agencies and the appropriations of funds to programs and agencies. And those responsible for those decisions, they are or are they not familiar with those agencies on an operational level? > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I am responding to specifically to your point that you seem to think I don’t believe in merit for getting a job. You dont believe in a meritocracy above a certain level within your system, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/362 "2020-06-20T23:19:08Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Sorry Brisc, couldn’t resist. 😛 Don’t be sorry - It’s got what plants crave. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/363 "2020-06-20T23:19:29Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > > > People like you are the reason things like the FDA declaring pizza a vegetable happen. > > Which never happened, lol. [Okay](https://www.thejournal.ie/us-congress-rules-that-pizza-is-a-vegetable-282033-Nov2011/) [Whatever you say.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pizza-still-a-vegetable-for-u-s-schools-1.1089258) ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/364 "2020-06-20T23:20:28Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And those responsible for those decisions, they are or are not familiar with those agencies on an operational level? They don’t make the operational decisions, no. They have some oversight roles, they can cut programs or funding and they can specifically tailor the authority the agencies have to make decisions, but the operational stuff is all done by political appointees and civil servants in the executive. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/365 "2020-06-20T23:21:40Z")
Out of interest, am I correct on the pizza sauce? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/366 "2020-06-20T23:22:25Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > They don’t make the operational decisions, no. Not the question I asked, but your answer does fit. So yes, someone with no knowledge of say farming peanuts can move to cut the peanut farming subsidy budget overnight. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/367 "2020-06-20T23:23:17Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > [Okay](https://www.thejournal.ie/us-congress-rules-that-pizza-is-a-vegetable-282033-Nov2011/) > [Whatever you say.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pizza-still-a-vegetable-for-u-s-schools-1.1089258) Thanks for proving my point. Both of those articles talk about “Congress,” not the Food and Drug Administration, making it clear that under US Department of Agriculture rules that a the serving of tomato paste on a pizza would qualify as a vegetable serving for purposes of the school lunch program. FDA had nothing to do with it. Congress didn’t call pizza a vegetable. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/did-congress-declare-pizza-as-a-vegetable-not-exactly/2011/11/20/gIQABXgmhN\_blog.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/did-congress-declare-pizza-as-a-vegetable-not-exactly/2011/11/20/gIQABXgmhN_blog.html) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954.md?page=18)