# CSM Vote Result confusion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954 "2020-06-14T12:53:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/48 "2020-06-16T14:35:09Z")
In the way that I’m the only guy on there who has evicted HK twice, and in the way this is a three year old running joke now. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/49 "2020-06-16T14:42:19Z")
Wow. Twice. Funny. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/50 "2020-06-16T15:01:44Z")
How many times have you evicted HK? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/51 "2020-06-16T15:06:18Z")
I don’t know who HK is. Nor do I understand why I would want or need to evict HK. My needs in the game are modest and do not require me to join an in-game empire that relentlessly consumes everything it lays eyes on. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/52 "2020-06-16T15:08:02Z")
You should try it, it’s fun. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/53 "2020-06-16T16:07:22Z")
I have problems accepting authority. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/54 "2020-06-16T16:17:16Z")
So at best, the #1 vote getter received 1/6th of the high-end of a daily concurrent users number and he’s supposed to represent the entirety of the playerbase? LOLOLOL!!! #EndTheCSM #Irrelevant #SSDD #MeetNewBossSameAsOldBoss ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/56 "2020-06-16T16:20:33Z")
> [@Rock\_Boner](#): > > How so? Check this thread. > [@The Issue of CSM Elections or the Condorcet Paradox](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-issue-of-csm-elections-or-the-condorcet-paradox/162553): > > INTRO I know, it’s a game, but I’d like to share with you some scientific knowledge related to mathematics in general and Set theory in particular. Their principles are widely used in statistics and to measure different real social processes, including elections. We know about CSM’s positive and negative qualities as an ingame institute and about nasty scandals around its members recently. There are more and more players in EVE community over years, which would like to cancel the CSM ingame in… Sometimes it works in a good way, sometimes it works in a bad way. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/58 "2020-06-16T16:35:07Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > So at best, the #1 vote getter received 1/6th of the high-end of a daily concurrent users number and he’s supposed to represent the entirety of the playerbase? LOLOLOL!!! > > #EndTheCSM #Irrelevant #SSDD #MeetNewBossSameAsOldBoss This is how it works in real life too. Your average legislator or executive wins with typically something like 25-30% of the eligible vote. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/59 "2020-06-16T17:06:00Z")
The best solution by far is to not vote at all. That way CCP might realize the CSM is not (and has never been) representative of the communty and they will get rid of this farce once and for all. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/60 "2020-06-16T17:07:44Z")
In the history of voting, that has never worked, not even once. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/61 "2020-06-16T17:08:15Z")
I know, but one can dream. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/62 "2020-06-16T17:18:00Z")
you can read the CSM minutes, they are regularly published, and even if you can disagree with some propositions, i find that they tried to do some good job. Why call it a farce? stop the complot theory, invest some time in the campaign, federate all players outside from big blocks and try to get elected?.. i don’t understand why people think it is biased and unfair that big alliances are more represented in the CSM than small entities, if the number of players in big blocks is larger than the number of players outside. Or if null blocks are able to motivate more members to vote than people outside the blocks. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/63 "2020-06-16T17:21:25Z")
The null blocs are filled with greedy yes-men that do whatever the people in charge tell them to do. The big null blocs are heavily represented specifically because there are so few people thinking for themselves out there. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/64 "2020-06-16T17:22:50Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The big null blocs are heavily represented specifically because there are so few people thinking for themselves out there. What would it matter if people started “thinking for themselves”? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/65 "2020-06-16T17:28:02Z")
> [@Wyk\_Bathana](#): > > Why call it a farce? Because it is. The elections are a farce because only a tiny minority of the playerbase actually votes. CCP never follows the advice given by the CSM. The electees are merely part of the CSM to better their situation or that of the block they represent and never for the entirety of the game. I have read all CSM minutes for the last 6 years and there is only one conclusion possible: the CSM are puppets used by CCP to legitimize their (sometimes horrible) decisions. Every single time CSM has given actual good advice, CCP disgarded it. Most of the times the advice and suggestions given by CSM members is worse than a lot of the idiots posting in these forums. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/66 "2020-06-16T17:30:11Z")
I thought CCP got caught doing special favors for nullsec, so they created the CSM so that they could continue to do special favors for nullsec and it wouldn’t be considered cheating. Isn’t that how it went? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/67 "2020-06-16T17:30:38Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > I thought CCP got caught doing special favors for nullsec, so they created the CSM so that they could do special favors for nullsec and it wouldn’t be considered cheating. Isn’t that how it went? Yes, it is. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/68 "2020-06-16T18:39:18Z")
mmmm ok… the complot theory… i see ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/69 "2020-06-16T19:11:05Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The null blocs are filled with greedy yes-men that do whatever the people in charge tell them to do. Just like CODE in high sec. What’s your point? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954.md?page=4)