# CSM Vote Result confusion **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954 "2020-06-14T12:53:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/133 "2020-06-18T02:11:53Z")
A fair ask. I will see what I can do. m ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/134 "2020-06-18T02:12:42Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > give us a chance before setting up the guillotines. You’ve had your chance, many times now. The CSM as a whole and some on a personal basis. What we want is the CSM to stop because it does nothing, leads to nothing and only creates haves and nothaves. There is no proof of the CSM doing anything important or useful ever, nothing. All the silliness like the gong, this idiotic jump animation, many of the things that make no sense. Either the CSM wasn’t asked on their input for these changes, they agreed to those changes or they weren’t capable of swaying CCP’s minds on these changes. The end result is nill and going “well you don’t see the stupid ■■■■ we help block” is not good enough. The CSM is and always has been a farce, it was born as a farce and then instantly got used in more worrying ways than BoB ever was willing or capable of doing when they had CCP on their MSN. It’s a joke and it’s bad. @Jonah_Gravenstein He’s a lobbyist. That means he uses sweet sweet words to lull people into submission while bending facts and truth, it’s in his job description. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/135 "2020-06-18T03:22:01Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > There is no proof of the CSM doing anything important or useful ever, nothing. Except all the times CCP said it did, of course. > [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > He’s a lobbyist. That means he uses sweet sweet words to lull people into submission while bending facts and truth, it’s in his job description. Like I said, disappointing when folks judge you by your job, not by who you are. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/136 "2020-06-18T05:46:57Z")
I have often wondered if many folks who seem so outraged at so many aspects of a video game advisory player panel are really using it all as a substitute for their outrage at their or other RL political things they either cannot or feel they cannot change / affect. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/137 "2020-06-18T05:51:57Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Like I said, disappointing when folks judge you by your job, not by who you are. Lets say your job is something like bribing politicians on both sides of the aisle so your employers win either way. I’d be pretty secure in judging what kind of person you are based on that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/138 "2020-06-18T07:16:08Z")
One of them just made it clear that being wealthy should mean that persons voting rights are worth more than another person and is now asking you to give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s a good guy. Politician alright. Its like they dont even hear themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/139 "2020-06-18T07:18:12Z")
Well yes, and here we have an actual politician we can vent at. They do shy away from actual criticism in RL you know. ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/141 "2020-06-18T09:25:17Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Like I said, disappointing when folks judge you by your job, not by who you are. > **[The Scorpion and the Frog](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog)** > > The Scorpion and the Frog is an animal fable which teaches that vicious people cannot resist hurting others even when it is not in their own interests. This fable seems to have emerged in Russia in the early 20th century. > A scorpion wants to cross a river but cannot swim, so it asks a frog to carry it across. The frog hesitates, afraid that the scorpion might sting it, but the scorpion promises not to, pointing out that it would drown if it killed the frog in the middle of the river. The frog ... ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/142 "2020-06-18T09:40:58Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I’ll take my 20 years in politics over your watching an HBO documentary, kthx. An American politican defending a corrupt CSM system that entrenches power into key blocks while dismissing an HBO historical depiction of his own nation’s struggle for independance from tyranny. You sir take the cake in absurd arrogance. Good luck with your car sales man job. ---
**Author:** ![Chococat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chococat/32/285157_2.png) [@Chococat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chococat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/143 "2020-06-18T10:28:25Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Nothing you have said actually gain says the point that “people outside of the large coalitions don’t have the wealth, power and infrastructure to manipulate the vote the way null coalitions do.” > > You see, you blocvote to maintain those things. One hand claps the other. > > Sunrise, sunset. > > Circle of Knife. > > Hakuna Retarda. You miss the point: Null sec is organised, because it has to be organised to be facilitate life in nullsec. CSM representation is just a by product of that. One group in the thousands is more likely to get a voice than ten groups in the hundreds, unless they work together. That’s how most political system work, ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/145 "2020-06-18T10:56:17Z")
That was the point I made. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/146 "2020-06-18T12:39:48Z")
An awful lot of people here seem to want anarchy. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/147 "2020-06-18T12:46:08Z")
I look forward to our Reptoid overlords. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/148 "2020-06-18T13:01:55Z")
The people of Omicron Persei 8 appreciate your support. Lrrr 2020 ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Aurora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_aurora/32/394780_2.png) [@CCP\_Aurora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Aurora)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/149 "2020-06-18T13:13:39Z")
> [@Rock\_Boner](#): > > Innominate got in the panel as well with his measly 493 votes. How so? If you’d like to see how the votes trickled off via the Single Transferable Vote system I’ve created a recording of my presentation from the announcement, which shows how votes flowed as candidates were eliminated or met the election threshold: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMbnOT4PnGk&feature=youtu.be](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMbnOT4PnGk&feature=youtu.be) This is slightly simplified and was made just working backwards with the voting data so there may be small errors - the voting data is the ‘official record’ - but it should serve to give you an idea of how the voting runoff elected the new CSM. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/150 "2020-06-18T13:51:10Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Lets say your job is something like bribing politicians on both sides of the aisle so your employers win either way. I’d be pretty secure in judging what kind of person you are based on that. You can make up any kind of negative hypothetical “jobs” and assign them to people all day, doesn’t negate my point. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/151 "2020-06-18T13:55:18Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > One of them just made it clear that being wealthy should mean that persons voting rights are worth more than another person and is now asking you to give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s a good guy. > > Politician alright. Its like they dont even hear themselves. In EVE, for voting on a focus group, the players who have the most skin in the game - the most Omega accounts - deserve to having increased voting power because they are investing more in the long-term success of the game. Since, after all, the CSM isn’t a legislative body, there’s no fairness issue involved. In real life, each person is inherently equal, and their choice of who represents them is no more or less valid than anybody else’s. Regardless of whether someone is rich, poor, smart, dumb, educated, uneducated - they each deserve the same say as anybody else in who their leaders are. Thus, one-person-one-vote should be the standard. I hope that clears up my views for you, since you don’t seem capable of figuring out that EVE and RL are two different things. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/152 "2020-06-18T13:58:09Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > An American politican defending a corrupt CSM system that entrenches power into key blocks while dismissing an HBO historical depiction of his own nation’s struggle for independance from tyranny. You didn’t even get the name of the documentary correct when you told me to go watch it (as if I need an HBO depiction of an event I’ve studied for decades to understand anything), and at no point in our struggle for independence did anybody run for Parliament on the platform of “disband Parliament,” which was the point I was making in the first place. Come on, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/153 "2020-06-18T13:58:19Z")
See its like I could have written that script for you, as its what you left your vague response open for. But its cool, youve made your opinion clear. Oh sorry, the facts. Because when you say something, tis a fact, and when others point out your deceit, its an opinion. Thats politics right there. Oh and the point really was that that IS how it works in RL. Not many unemployed running for office, are there? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954/154 "2020-06-18T14:00:47Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Oh sorry, the facts. Because when you say something, tis a fact, and when others point out your deceit, its an opinion. Thats politics right there. My opinions are opinions. My facts are facts. “All politicians are corrupt” = an opinion. “The CSM is corrupt” = an opinion. “Rich people’s votes count more than poor people’s” = an opinion. All of this stuff is opinion. You saying it doesn’t make it true. My opinion is different. You’re entitled to yours, no matter how poorly it’s crafted or how uninformed. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-vote-result-confusion/248954.md?page=8)