# Current State of Suicide Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [December 6, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185 "2023-12-06T12:05:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/41 "2023-12-14T17:04:03Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > It wont make it past the gank pipes. This means, the cause is the gankers, not the fitting. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Different story for freighters. No ? People DO get ganked even with bulkheads. The only correct answer to “why did they gank him” is “because they can”. Anything else is BS. You can move 20B in a cargohold freighter over 10 j and not be ganked. I did it several times. With several alts having the same load and fit (had to move over 200B in total). Whether or not you are ganked is not up to the gankee. Claiming otherwise is victim blaming. > [@Xeux](#): > > there is a choice between acting like a victim and learning from the mistake. False dichotomy. When you get robbed, it was not your mistake. It just happens. You don’t need to act like a victim : you ARE a victim. Pretending that people who got robbed chose to get robbed is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/42 "2023-12-14T17:29:15Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > This means, the cause is the gankers, not the fitting. no xD the ganker choose his target at some specifications like tank or cargo value … if you are worth then you got ganked if not then mostly do your thing … > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > People DO get ganked even with bulkheads. because they had other things on my list that hit ! you re argument is worthless and stupid ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > The only correct answer to “why did they gank him” is “because they can”. you can do a lot of things … but the answer “because i can” is never the correact answer ! you always has a specific reason ! you know it and you only troll ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > You can move 20B in a cargohold freighter over 10 j yes … and you can move an empty freighter and still got ganked ! you are bringing false facts ! it always depends and if you move your freighter in a spece which is far from every ganker then yes, you even can still 500b and dont get ganked ! but mnove your 20b through a ganker hotspot and you can be safe that youre the next target ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > When you get robbed, it was not your mistake. but we are not in real life we are playing a game ! an in this game yes, its your fault ! you play the game and know the rules ! you ecide to ignore the rules ! you die ! you come to forum and cry … btw … still if you got robbed can it be your fault xD maybe the wrong district at night and you know that you shouldt move through this disctrict ? if you still doing it and you ignore the fact that you can get robbed because its a dangerous district then its your fault … > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Pretending that people who got robbed chose to get robbed is a lie. but they can decide to ignore all the risk factors ! and then its still THEIR fault ! ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/43 "2023-12-14T17:40:04Z")
All I have to say now is that I refuse the victim mindset. I own up to my mistakes and I learn from them. Everyone should examine why they were killed. Usually, it’s too much ISK at one time. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/44 "2023-12-14T18:09:41Z")
That is victim blaming. You are using your own opinion as if it was a universal truth and blaming the victim for not agreeing with you. You are discarding the validity of their mindset for the sole reason that it does not approve your own. People are killed BECAUSE they can be. Because it’s the game. Nothing they can do will prevent that, but not playing the game. People can kill you in a cheap fit for the sake of it. People camp gates in LS, or roam to kill T1 fit ventures or even pods or shuttles, without a care for benefit. People can kill you in an expensive fit for their own reasons and you should not trust them on the reason why. It’s stupid to expect people to trust a bully on its morale lessons. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/45 "2023-12-14T18:26:49Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > That is victim blaming. its not victim blaming ! thats simply the truth ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > People are killed BECAUSE they can be. Because it’s the game. ppl are killed by gankers because they have done stupid decicions ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Nothing they can do will prevent that, but not playing the game. no you have a whole list what you can do to prevent a gank against you ! if you dont get ganked you dont get killed ! and which wonder you still play the game … > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > People can kill you in a cheap fit for the sake of it. yes they can but its not happen all the time ! they got killed because they have done stupid decisions … read the list and you see which decisions > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > People camp gates in LS, or roam to kill T1 fit ventures or even pods or shuttles, without a care for benefit. we didnt spoke about PvP at all … you are creating offtopic ! it was all about ganking ! and ganking excludes LS / NS / WH ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > People can kill you in an expensive fit for their own reasons and you should not trust them on the reason why. you never get told why they ganked you xD you only got ganked … and if you take a look to your lossmail then you know why you get ganked → see the list above > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > It’s stupid to expect people to trust a bully on its morale lessons. who said that someone need to trust a bully ? oO nobody said this ! btw … you dont need to trust a bully but take a look on zkb which targets got ganked … then you can see why they got ganked and thats almost the reason why ! gankers can earn ISK ! your arguments are all inconsistent and idiotic ! ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/46 "2023-12-14T18:39:11Z")
We will sadly never agree on this. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/47 "2023-12-15T00:57:57Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Rare loot like BPOs. (Hauling the wrong stuff in the wrong hauler) BPO’s are counter intuitive lol. Mnay think big. Nah…think small. Like travel ceptor lol. as that is useful for even cuts through low and even null sec. Nullifier was one of nicer changes I walked into since away. I haven’t need to use it yet. But it is there if I need to. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/48 "2023-12-15T01:32:47Z")
I always wondered why people put small high value loot in big slow freighters. 😂 Can’t use the right hauler for the right job. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/49 "2023-12-15T01:50:53Z")
I have carried bp’s in an orca for flips in jita on an alt. But they give many options. I’d not take say angel titan bpc if I ever had one in though lol. Brick fit tank physically. 2 shield links for oh crap moments if needed. and a reasonably quiet route. mwd for faster gate warp off as well. The hangar has a pvp fitted hecate at all times. Zippy little t3d. And looks sexy as hell too imo. I ghetto solo scout in style when I try a new route. Park orca, take a few minutes to scout gates ahead. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/50 "2023-12-15T02:18:18Z")
On the opposite, I think BPOs are better moved with a BR. The moment you need to move 1000s of them you need to have cans and they don’t fit in a small cargo. Of course this does not apply to moving little amount of BPO, but then it depends on where you want to move them, and from where. But since we are talking suicide ganking, this means HS moving the BPOs. And for that, I guess highest EHP while still having \<2s align is the best. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/51 "2023-12-15T03:14:13Z")
Br’s are nice. another supports this char’s fw habit with a prowler. And moves the lp rewards after claiming. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/52 "2023-12-15T18:51:27Z")
You cannot be a “victim” while you are consenting to play a multiplayer video game. There is no victim status in such a milieu. You are literally playing a game. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/53 "2023-12-15T20:17:51Z")
Many New _true_ Alpha Capsuleer pilots should at least experience turning criminal through the NPE just at least one time which then could show how to repair their security status by explaining the use of security tags. Perhaps this option might be offered after their first epic arc story is completed? At least the _red safety_ is gated for the Capsuleer’s who choose to stay as Alpha clone state. There was discussions on bringing more information such as this into the game. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/54 "2023-12-15T22:13:56Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > There is no victim status in such a milieu. BS. > **[Definition of VICTIM](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim)** > > one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent : such as; one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions; one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment… See the full definition > one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent * * * > [@Xeux](#): > > while you are consenting to play a multiplayer video game. Just because you consent to play, does not mean you consent to have your ship destroyed, or to be scammed. Just like you don’t consent to be ran over when you walk on the roadside. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/55 "2023-12-16T00:45:14Z")
So, what if you lose your first pawn in Chess? Are you a victim now? Are you opressed by an evil psycho who just wants to win the game on the expense of your suffering? You surely have not consent to it and it was removed by a force or agent -\_-. Come on, it’s hilarious. Ship destruction is an inherit part of the Game “EVE Online” and everyone logging in here should know that, CCP (the creator of this virtual universe and therefor the _only_ authority able to define what is legit gameplay and what is not) has confirmed it over and over. _There are no victims in EVE online as result of legit game moves._ People should learn to take responsibility for their actions and in EVE a ship loss is for almost 100% the end of a chain of decisions made by both the one losing the ship and the one destroying it. Especially in HighSec where you have almost complete information about the surrounding, you have _overwhelming_ chances to avoid this ship loss, because it is incredibly hard to actually gank someone who pays attention, knows the mechanics and decides wisely. Thats why so many experienced players are pretty much never ganked at all, despite flying around in Highsec with Mutibillion-ISK ships, often completely solo (before you repeat your “you need an army of alts” nonsense). ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/56 "2023-12-16T00:57:57Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Just because you consent to play, does not mean you consent to have your ship destroyed, or to be scammed. Just like you don’t consent to be ran over when you walk on the roadside. yes you are xD the whole game is exactly about this ! PvP ! Scam ! Betayal ! and btw … its a game … its fictional xD you cant be a victim in a virtuel game where you dont lose your life or your money or your house or smething else … ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/57 "2023-12-16T02:27:17Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Are you opressed by an evil psycho who just wants to win the game on the expense of your suffering? Your imagination goes wild. I don’t know what you’re taking, but I definitely don’t need that. Please come talk again once you learnt to make sound arguments. Until then, I will let you bask in your delusion that Eve is a chess game, since you can’t apprehend a difference between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/58 "2023-12-16T02:50:10Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Your imagination goes wild. I don’t know what you’re taking, but I definitely don’t need that. but he´s right … its a game and in a game you cant be a victim ! you only can choose to play as victim but thats a different story ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Please come talk again once you learnt to make sound arguments. you should pay attention to this sentence yourself first ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Until then, I will let you bask in your delusion that Eve is a chess game, since you can’t apprehend a difference between the two. a game is a game … yes both games are different but still only fictional ! none of both are real and in none of both you can hurt anyone ! results in no victims ! ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/59 "2023-12-18T05:24:21Z")
Wow, I think this guy thinks that Eve is real. ---
**Author:** ![Sarah\_Olson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarah_olson/32/377582_2.png) [@Sarah\_Olson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarah_Olson)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185/60 "2023-12-18T07:06:25Z")
I’ve just come back after a small 6 month break, I couldn’t think of a better way to ease back in than to try a new gank fit. I was experimenting with ganking just before I took my break and it seemed like a fun thing to do. Currently I’m just ganking for fun and not profit, trying to find the cheapest but still effective fits. > **[Venture | stmhha | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/114108490/)** > > stmhha (Science and Trade Institute) lost their Venture in Isanamo (Lonetrek) Total Value: 1,172,350.57 ISK > **[Capsule | stmhha | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/114108532/)** > > stmhha (Science and Trade Institute) lost their Capsule in Isanamo (Lonetrek) Total Value: 10,000.00 ISK > **[Thrasher | Matthew McConnell | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/114108504/)** > > Matthew McConnell (Alpha United Industries Inc.) lost their Thrasher in Isanamo (Lonetrek) Total Value: 2,369,090.49 ISK I think everyone should just try ganking a couple of times. I too was once on the fence about ganking, but then I tried it and found it to be intensely satisfying. I don’t do it for tears or to ruin anyone’s day, I do it for my own enjoyment and pleasure, that is after what video games are supposed to be about. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/current-state-of-suicide-ganking/431185.md?page=4)