# Cyno's are prohibitively expensive **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [March 28, 2021, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630 "2021-03-28T03:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2021, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/41 "2021-03-31T07:48:20Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > And to think, in the past 2 days, you could have already moved your Carrier, or (like I’ve said from the beginning, sold it and bought a new one at your destination), but it looks like you’ve doubled down on begging CCP to change something just to soothe your specific situation. > > Iono, a lot could have been done in the past 48 hours or so. Maybe you should get your brain checked at the doctors because I’ve said multiple times I’m trying to sell it and can’t find a buyer and I’m not moving it. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2021, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/42 "2021-03-31T07:48:51Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Try selling it for less. Or hypernet it. > > Have you tried the locals? They may want to buy a cheap carrier, especially if _they_ barely have to move it. I have. I’m not going to hypernet it, it’s too risky. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/43 "2021-04-01T14:12:28Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > can’t find a buyer Lower the price. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/44 "2021-04-01T15:15:20Z")
@Aiko_Danuja will buy anything, if the price is right. ---
**Author:** ![SCLZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sclz/32/358293_2.png) [@SCLZ](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SCLZ)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/45 "2021-04-01T21:13:21Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Yes, but by the time I’ve paid 2-300 mill for asset safety, 400-500 mill for fuel and cynos, and whatever time it takes me to move. I’ve bought the equivalent of another carrier. It’s not even worth it to get it out of asset safety unless I’m selling it. Now I’ve got to find a buyer but nobody is buying so…bricked asset like I said. Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t think you’re ever going to find a carrier for 600-800 million ISK anytime in the future. Where is this thing that you can’t find a buyer for it and what price are you wanting? ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/46 "2021-04-01T22:02:54Z")
> [@SCLZ](#): > > Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t think you’re ever going to find a carrier for 600-800 million ISK anytime in the future. You are getting too caught up in the raw ISK cost. My point is that I’m always going to lose less by selling it and buying a new one, rather than moving it, even if I sell at a pretty large discount. I don’t think carrier’s should be that difficult to move. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/47 "2021-04-01T22:24:14Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > I don’t think carrier’s should be that difficult to move. And I think they should. Capitals are incredibly powerful and their jump drives make them really responsive to anything within jump range. But that responsiveness has a limit: doing multiple jumps takes time, effort and ISK. If it was easier to move around, capital ships would be far more oppressive. I recently got my first capital and already did a much longer trip than yours. Luckily I could share the cyno beacons with others, so my biggest expense was the fuel itself. (And time!) I understand it can be expensive if you have to supply all the cynos yourself, although you can cut on the costs using recon ships whenever there is no danger in local. But even if you cut those costs and you still think it is too expensive to move it, just sell it. And lower your price until someone buys it. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/48 "2021-04-01T22:28:37Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > I don’t think carrier’s should be that difficult to move. They aren’t. You’re trying to move it across the map by yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/49 "2021-04-01T22:31:59Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Capitals are incredibly powerful and their jump drives make them really responsive to anything within jump range. But that responsiveness has a limit: doing multiple jumps takes time, effort and ISK. If it was easier to move around, capital ships would be far more oppressive. This is not regulated by the ISK cost of cyno’s though. There are many ways in which you can balance cyno’s with changing the deployable and cycle time of them, the ISK cost never needed to change. Making them expensive just stops individuals moving them. It doesn’t affect groups. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I recently got my first capital and already did a much longer trip than yours. Luckily I could share the cyno beacons with others, so my biggest expense was the fuel itself. (And time!) Well, you shared your beacons so you can split the cost. I have no such luxury. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I understand it can be expensive if you have to supply all the cynos yourself, although you can cut on the costs using recon ships whenever there is no danger in local. I can’t predict who’s going to fly in and out of the system. I can’t fly one either. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > But even if you cut those costs and you still think it is too expensive to move it, just sell it. > > And lower your price until someone buys it. It’s a problem that doesn’t need to exist. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/50 "2021-04-01T22:32:28Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > They aren’t. You’re trying to move it across the map by yourself. What’s wrong with this? Is it ruining the game to have that ability? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/51 "2021-04-01T22:36:00Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > It’s a problem that doesn’t need to exist. Well it exists, logistics and distance is a thing in this game. Sometimes it’s cheaper to sell and rebuy at another location than to move the items over. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/52 "2021-04-01T22:38:38Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Well it exists, logistics and distance is a thing in this game. Sometimes it’s cheaper to sell and rebuy at another location than to move the items over. Now it’s most of the time. That’s boring. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/53 "2021-04-01T22:39:30Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > I can’t predict who’s going to fly in and out of the system. I can’t fly one either. You can’t fly a recon to move your own capital ship? But don’t you have other players to help you light that cyno? Someone in your corp? I think you have bigger issues as a capital pilot than expensive cyno deployables if you cannot light your own recon cyno and have no one else to light them for you. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/54 "2021-04-01T22:45:38Z")
You can also use the stargates now. You don’t have to use the jump drive. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/55 "2021-04-01T22:46:41Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You can’t fly a recon to move your own capital ship? But don’t you have other players to help you light that cyno? Someone in your corp? I don’t think it’s appropriate to expect someone to waste hours of their spare game time fly 120+ jumps in a recon ship to come and help me move it. No point even thinking about moving it. It’s not getting moved because there is no point. I think having no point highlights an issue. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I think you have bigger issues as a capital pilot than expensive cyno deployables if you cannot light your own recon cyno and have no one else to light them for you. I was a capital pilot before the changes when the problem did not exist. The issue I have is that the changes make no sense. All the reasons given for the changes can be fixed without changing the cost of lighting a cyno for individuals to move their stuff from asset safety. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/56 "2021-04-01T22:46:56Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > You can also use the stargates now. You don’t have to use the jump drive. Yeah if you are stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/57 "2021-04-01T22:47:34Z")
Or cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/58 "2021-04-01T22:48:24Z")
Yeah sorry I don’t want to suicide a carrier for absolutely no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/59 "2021-04-01T22:48:45Z")
You seem kinda entitled. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630/60 "2021-04-01T22:49:08Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > No point even thinking about moving it. It’s not getting moved because there is no point. I think having no point highlights an issue. Yea, the highlighted issue is that you are asking too much if you cannot sell the ship. Just sell it already so this discussion is over. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cynos-are-prohibitively-expensive/302630.md?page=4)