# \[DAEV4\] Thebeka III Freeport Aid Stations **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 14, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995 "2018-12-14T18:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/201 "2019-01-10T05:25:11Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > I empathize most readily with those who have been closest to me. I empathize the least with those who’ve tried to harm those closest to me. This is natural. > > What’s more, I think your sea of pain has made you a force for destruction, Ms. “Burn the World.” So of course I’m going to get in your way. I don’t think you realize what empathy is implying here. No, I don’t think that’s the right way to say it. Sometimes empathy is not to rationalize out the problems, not to probe, ect. Some people simply want to be heard. I don’t think it’d be much of a surprise to say simply put, our people have known nothing but defense. Even our allies at this point are a scourge upon what it is to be Matari. Is it hard to understand that aside from the Caldari there isn’t another people who doesn’t want to shape us in their image? The Amarr and their gods image, the Gallante and their political beliefs and their assimilation of our culture into their melting pot. Adding too much spice ruins any stew as they say. Its understandable to want to understand the world around you, the exotic and the humdrum. Just understand that sometimes asking _why_ gets a negative reaction. Personally your affiliations mean nothing to me in this regard, I don’t view it as an attack since I don’t view questions as statements. I’m one person. I believe I’m not the only one who feels this way, I’ll leave you to be the judge on that. Personally I understand my kins’ responses here. I don’t share it necessarily but I can understand their passion on it. My path was different than theirs, as was yours. Hear them. Don’t question when its out of place, since obviously it must mean something to be spoken of as passionately as it is. At one time you went on a sojourn to understand the other people of the cluster. You stopped before you went to the Republic. Consider this that chapter as since conflict is what we’ve always known, it actually would in some ways be an example for you to learn from. Not the actions but why. To be clear, if all you can decipher from these events is the hostility you’ve faced from my kin you haven’t been paying attention. That **is** what we’ve dealt with. Unless you haven’t heard the tired “savage tribal” dribble and such since forever. To be clear, the world can burn for all I care if that’s what its destined to do. I can’t stop it, you can’t stop it, no one here can stop it. We can only simply follow what path we carve and surmount what obstacles we come across. Hopefully that will amount to something in the grand scheme. There is only so much we can do. _Saving the world_ is not exactly something in our wheelhouse… ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/202 "2019-01-10T11:47:42Z")
Speaking to the progression of this topic in general, I think it’s important we don’t lose sight of why we’re here. The space version of this conflict began as a reaction to what was happening on Thebeka III: Pro-Matari organizations got involved to support the rebellion, and pro-slavery organizations got involved to quell it and to stop the pro-Matari groups. That’s the heart of it, and it should be the only reason why any of us are in that theatre. Others may come in with their own unclear motivations and their own purposes, but they’re just distractions. Pay them no mind, and keep working toward the real prize. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/203 "2019-01-10T13:17:00Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Speaking to the progression of this topic in general, I think it’s important we don’t lose sight of why we’re here. > > The space version of this conflict began as a reaction to what was happening on Thebeka III: Pro-Matari organizations got involved to support the rebellion, and pro-slavery organizations got involved to quell it and to stop the pro-Matari groups. That’s the heart of it, and it should be the only reason why any of us are in that theatre. > > Others may come in with their own unclear motivations and their own purposes, but they’re just distractions. Pay them no mind, and keep working toward the real prize. That sounds like incredibly skewed point of view which is as far from reality as Fedo from becoming a Minmatar Emperor. I really doubt any of Amarr pilots who fight in Thebeka would say that they have came there to “protect slavery” and should be considered as “pro-slavery” groups. **_They are protecting not the slavery, they are protecting law, order and people lives from both rebels and foreign invaders. Always keep that in mind._** As for the others’ motivations, they’re pretty much clear (even if they’re not in plain sight): money. Every conflict attracts all sort of privateers, who try to milk money from there one way or another. Usually they don’t state it openly, making up all sort of unrelated explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/504852_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/204 "2019-01-10T17:34:28Z")
As usual Kim totally misses the point. ---
**Author:** ![Graelyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/graelyn/32/247527_2.png) [@Graelyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Graelyn)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/205 "2019-01-13T06:30:27Z")
She’s technically correct, though. And you know what they say about that… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/206 "2019-01-13T08:09:22Z")
No, she’s not. It doesn’t matter what you tell yourselves, or what your _intent_ is, Cardinal, you are still protecting slavery. There are paths toward ‘law and order’ that don’t include tolerating orbital bombardments on civilian populations (and please, don’t give me trite nonsense about ‘how long ago’ an incident two months old was) and forcing innocent people into bondage so a hereditary aristocratic theocracy can cling to power. In the long run, ‘law and order’ can only be guaranteed with laws that are Just, and order achieved by not building on a foundation of shifting sand. ---
**Author:** ![Graelyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/graelyn/32/247527_2.png) [@Graelyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Graelyn)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/207 "2019-01-13T09:12:51Z")
Yes, I know, I’ve heard plenty of Constantine Logic before. It ensures we debate the definitions, instead of the practicalities. The Law is still The Law. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/208 "2019-01-13T09:21:42Z")
Never said it wasn’t. Only that she’s wrong when she says you’re not protecting slavery. ---
**Author:** ![Kithrus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kithrus/32/341031_2.png) [@Kithrus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kithrus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/209 "2019-01-13T19:46:51Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Never said it wasn’t. Only that she’s wrong when she says you’re not protecting slavery. Do you want to cut down every law to get at evil? Where will you hide when evil turns round on you? This Empire is planted thick with laws and if you cut them down and you are just the person to do it, do you really think you can stand upright in the winds that would blow then? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/210 "2019-01-13T23:33:38Z")
> [@Kithrus](#): > > Do you want to cut down every law to get at evil? Just the evil ones. > [@Kithrus](#): > > Where will you hide when evil turns round on you? Why would I hide? > [@Kithrus](#): > > This Empire is planted thick with laws and if you cut them down and you are just the person to do it, do you really think you can stand upright in the winds that would blow then? I think that your Empire is built on abuse, great and small. But even so, I have not advocated for the destruction of all law and order, only the abolition of evil laws, and the pillars of ‘order’ being built upon a foundation that is _stable_, and _just_, rather than one that relies upon the willful destruction of other peoples. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/211 "2019-01-17T11:54:40Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > > Do you want to cut down every law to get at evil? > > Just the evil ones. Hundreds if not thousands of people are working to make the laws, to refine them. Wise, intelligent, educated people. But nooo, here comes ARRENDIS HERSELF, who ALONE knows which law is EVIL, and the rest are “idiots”. Do you have at least a basic legal education, honey? I am afraid to ask about a degree in law… ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/212 "2019-01-21T14:02:58Z")
And so all good things come to an end. DAEV4 has now officially withdrawn from Thebeka, and ended all of our wars. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/213 "2019-01-21T15:11:25Z")
Or maybe that’s what you want us to think ! 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daev4-thebeka-iii-freeport-aid-stations/126995/214 "2019-04-21T15:15:55Z")
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