# Dealing with suicide gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 6, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259 "2020-01-06T22:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Pix\_Severus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pix_severus/32/394032_2.png) [@Pix\_Severus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pix_Severus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/69 "2020-01-07T18:08:49Z")
The best advice for anyone looking at how to avoid being ganked is to try ganking for themselves. Get into the mindset, look at what makes a target desirable to you, and then do everything you can to make yourself as undesirable as possible. Give it a try, you might like it. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/70 "2020-01-07T18:14:29Z")
The people in the minerbumping channel are, contrary to popular belief and my own former belief, quite alright. I guess when someone enters it with with an attitude of disliking them, then they will dislike him back accordingly. > [@Pix\_Severus](#): > > Give it a try, you might like it. Plus, the best way of learning about something is doing it. That way it’s easier to understand how to deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/71 "2020-01-07T18:21:38Z")
So after all this nonsense, may I ask if there was any real progres? I mean has the op acquired a mining permit and familiarized himself with the Code? ---
**Author:** ![Gareth\_Mythros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gareth_mythros/32/264433_2.png) [@Gareth\_Mythros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gareth_Mythros)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/72 "2020-01-07T18:52:54Z")
> [@z0ra\_Berg](#): > > Plus, the best way of learning about something is doing it. That way it’s easier to understand how to deal with it. Totally don’t want to belittle this point, as it’s a good one. I just think it’s amusing that the answer to “How do I avoid being murdered?” is “Well, you ought to murder someone, then you’ll know how to see it coming!” That’s…that’s really Eve, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/73 "2020-01-07T18:55:22Z")
> [@Gareth\_Mythros](#): > > That’s…that’s really Eve, isn’t it? Yes, but that’s quite natural. Except humans, guineau pigs and probably a few other domesticated animals (except cats lol) most living beings learn how to survive one way or the other. Think of children on a normal playground, not softened ones. You’d not even _need_ to gank someone, you could just be a part of the group without firing a shot. No fun in that, though. Yes, this is EVE. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/74 "2020-01-07T18:56:42Z")
They used to say “take 10 ships…” to learn to PvP. I wonder how many ships it takes to learn to suicide gank? How many demoralizing cases where the target lives 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/75 "2020-01-07T18:57:29Z")
> [@Gareth\_Mythros](#): > > I just think it’s amusing that the answer to “How do I avoid being murdered?” is “Well, you ought to murder someone, then you’ll know how to see it coming!” That sounds like a fantastic idea and good advice. It’s a game after all, and practicing a certain strategy or move will also make you aware of it’s weakness. Also killing miners is the most hilarious thing in this game, give it a shot. ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/76 "2020-01-07T19:19:35Z")
I think the thread has established that the “permit” solution is lacking…in about every respect. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/77 "2020-01-07T20:16:10Z")
> [@Pix\_Severus](#): > > The best advice for anyone looking at how to avoid being ganked is to try ganking for themselves. Get into the mindset, look at what makes a target desirable to you, and then do everything you can to make yourself as undesirable as possible. > > Give it a try, you might like it. Exactly, and then people had their ships tanked, and now gankers are crying in the forums. ( the same ones who kills a 2 days player brag about it , and say “adapt or die” . Yes they adapted, and now what ? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/78 "2020-01-07T20:16:38Z")
Y mean the permit scam ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/79 "2020-01-07T20:18:51Z")
You mean he lacks a permit? That’s not good. He should totally get one ASAP and learn to follow the Code. ---
**Author:** ![Eivar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eivar/32/178879_2.png) [@Eivar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eivar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/80 "2020-01-07T20:37:38Z")
If you can’t yet fly a skiff or lack the funds to super-tank one, make a habit of this: get above or below the belt with a clean line of sight to a gate and ALIGN. That in itself gives you a fighting chance to get out before you 'splode. And, for cripe’s sake, pick =several= “favorite mining belts”. Having just one or two is a beg for a gank. If mining belts is all you do/most of what you do, jump clone to waiting ships in a few systems. When gank activity is high in one area, jump to another. These are part of the “playing it smart” countermeasures you can employ whether nublet or experienced in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/81 "2020-01-07T22:19:17Z")
If you don’t have a (any) timer you can just log off ---
**Author:** ![Ernst\_Steinitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ernst_steinitz/32/176138_2.png) [@Ernst\_Steinitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ernst_Steinitz)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/82 "2020-01-08T05:06:00Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > But then **they** adapt, and throw one more catalyst every time. 3,4,5… There is no real effect on ganking people, it costs nothing for barges, so it’s just a matter of them trying again. Fielding an additonal Catalyst is not that easy when you only have a limit number of gank alts at your disposal. Of course we help out each other when needed, but sometimes nobody is available. In that case, your only option is to upgrade to something heavier than a Catalyst which will make the gank much more expensive and therefore the gank will not happen at all in most cases. [quote=“Anderson\_Geten, post:18, topic:210259”] The only thing you can do, is get more tank.[/quote] Apart from getting a Permit having more tank is probably the best option available. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/83 "2020-01-08T05:15:24Z")
> [@Ernst\_Steinitz](#): > > Apart from getting a Permit having more tank is probably the best option available. Or just leave highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Ernst\_Steinitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ernst_steinitz/32/176138_2.png) [@Ernst\_Steinitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ernst_Steinitz)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/84 "2020-01-08T06:16:58Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > 1. Have more tank, be a little less alert, bring some ECM drones, ECM their tackle when they show up and warp out. Since I have never used ECM drones myself I cannot tell what their success chances are if split up, but usually there will be mutiple tackles which reduces the overall chance of successfully jamming all tackles and thereby allowing you to warp out. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > 1. Have even more tank, have combat potential with your drones, have local friends you can call in, use ECM drones to cut down their DPS, and basically survive until you either kill them, your friends arrive, or Concord shows up to smoke them. What kind of friends are you talking about? The longest possible response time for Concord is about 24 seconds. Even if you add the align and travel time to that, your friends cannot do anything else while you are mining if they want to be able to help you before it is too late. Instead of babysitting, real friends would get you a Mining Permit. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/85 "2020-01-08T10:14:51Z")
> [@Ernst\_Steinitz](#): > > Apart from leaving the game having more tank is probably the best option available. I don’t think this opinion if of any help, actually. ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/86 "2020-01-08T17:57:10Z")
Or maybe people will accelerate the petitioning of gankers exploiting Concord responses as carefully detailed at miner\>\ **Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/87 "2020-01-08T17:58:21Z") Pawns shouldn’t be able to take queens - that is an exploit. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/88 "2020-01-08T20:48:22Z")
You’re saying there’s an exploit and they’re encouraging people to use it? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259.md?page=5)