# Dealing with suicide gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 6, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259 "2020-01-06T22:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/89 "2020-01-08T20:58:32Z")
You should totally petition it. CCP loves when people who have no clue about game mechanics try to space lawyer about it in a good petition. ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/90 "2020-01-08T21:12:56Z")
You dont have to be a space lawyer to see that it is an exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/91 "2020-01-08T21:15:12Z")
You’re right as as it is written, it looks like an exploit. However this specific delay of concord by draging them somewhere else, is intended by CCP ; so it does not fall into the “delay” that would be a breach of the EULA. So, you’re right, but actually it was done a way so you are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/92 "2020-01-08T21:15:31Z")
You have to be pretty dense and understand nothing about highsec mechanics to think this is an exploit. But go for it man ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/93 "2020-01-08T21:24:03Z")
It is intentional that when a criminal act is perpetrated that Concord RESOLVE (this means that the criminal ship is jammed and explodes) the situation with the criminal in a set time depending on whether it happens in .5 to 1.0 space. Anyone outside of the criminal\victim\security system level equation doing something to alter those system security level determined intervals IS an EXPLOIT. Otherwise it would be okay for me to DDOS Eve in order to pull off a gank. Induce the lag to where the Concord response was completely out of line to what it should have been. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/94 "2020-01-08T21:34:37Z")
> [@CoRrUpTiGe](#): > > Anyone outside of the criminal\victim\security system level equation doing something to alter those system security level determined intervals IS an EXPLOIT. > **[Known & Declared Exploits](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits)** > > Disclaimer > This article outlines public exploit notifications which are still in effect and addresses certain practices which are commonly misunderstood as exploits when they in fact are not. > Pleas... I don’t see that listed on here. The closest thing is: [Exploit Notification - Delaying CONCORD Response | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/exploit-notification-delaying-concord-response) But that specifically mentions: > …distracting CONCORD by jettisoning ships or other items into space to distract them from attacking the perpetrator of a criminal act is now considered an exploit. ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/95 "2020-01-08T21:42:10Z")
So jettisoning a -10 capsule from a station, strategically timed, most certainly would qualify. It perplexes me the CODE. boys are running way from THEIR intent on this like scared little girls 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/96 "2020-01-08T21:43:47Z")
You’re wrong, deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/97 "2020-01-08T21:44:53Z")
I am dealing with it because you CODE. boys aren’t man enough to actually face the punishment mechanic in Eve Online. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/98 "2020-01-08T21:45:01Z")
> [@CoRrUpTiGe](#): > > So jettisoning a -10 capsule from a station, strategically timed Concord doesn’t kill pods. ---
**Author:** ![Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yahamssi_judihuijj/32/392777_2.png) [@Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yahamssi_Judihuijj)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/99 "2020-01-08T21:45:12Z")
> **[Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked. - EVE...](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/4768719)** > > EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players. > Hello all, > > In order to clear up our current stance concerning this mechanic, I’m going to attach the ticket response I sent to Benny Ohu: > > We do not consider intentionally spawning CONCORD using disposable ships an exploit at this time. This is, like all policies, subject to change in the future if deemed necessary for some reason, but we have no current plans to make any changes to this stance. > > To put our stance quite clearly, we currently make no distinction between these two scenarios: > > a. Suicide gank. CONCORD is spawned because Player A attacks Player B without the rights to do so. > b. Defensive spawning. CONCORD is spawned because Player A’s alt character attacks Player A without the rights to do so. > > My best guess would be that the confusion stems from different rules having been broken. There are two exploits of sorts which I can think of which could have led to warnings being placed in a scenario similar to “b” above. > > 1. Alt character recycling. It is considered a violation to recycle alt characters and/or trial accounts to bypass negative consequences. In this case, the consequences being escaped would be the standing hit for performing an unlawful attack in CONCORD protected space. > 2. Escaping CONCORD retribution. If a player somehow manages to prevent destruction at the hand of CONCORD after performing an unlawful attack, then it is an exploit. We are currently not aware of any such exploits, but there have been ways to do this in the past which have since been fixed. > > Best regards, Lead GM Lelouch CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/100 "2020-01-08T21:45:37Z")
> [@CoRrUpTiGe](#): > > I am dealing with it because you CODE. boys aren’t man enough to actually face the punishment mechanic in Eve Online. I am not CODE. ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/101 "2020-01-08T21:45:39Z")
They probably undock in rookie ships. I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/102 "2020-01-08T21:46:31Z")
That what they all say. “My recollection of the events do not match her recollection of the events” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/103 "2020-01-08T21:47:16Z")
I have never said that. Are you daft? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/104 "2020-01-08T21:47:24Z")
I highly doubt an explanation will help here, but let’s try anyway. There are three possible situations with CONCORD: 1. When a new CONCORD squad spawns in a system (first gank in a given system after downtime). 2. With a squad already spawned somewhere in the system. 3. With a squad directly on the grid within 150k of a gank. Timing: 1. Some time T, based on the security status of the system 2. T +6s 3. Instantly Time 2 (T +6s) is a completely regular CONCORD response time. It is an intended game mechanic. If you repeatedly gank in the same system you get time 2 for all but the first gank. Unless of course you want to gank on the same grid like for example in an ice field. Once CONCORD is on grid you get time 3 which makes ganking almost impossible, hence you move them away by ganking somewhere else or undocking in a noob ship while on criminal timer to once again get time 2. Did you understand that? ---
**Author:** ![CoRrUpTiGe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corruptige/32/178725_2.png) [@CoRrUpTiGe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CoRrUpTiGe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/105 "2020-01-08T21:49:17Z")
So you are admitting you exploit the situation to avoid the police response that pertains to the sec status of the system? Got it. Just dig deep and grow a pair. We both like a dangerous Eve… you just don’t like to play by rules you dont like. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/106 "2020-01-08T21:51:05Z")
Well I tried. Good luck with your petition ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/107 "2020-01-08T21:51:42Z")
You surey will win this years “I am retard trophy” ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259/108 "2020-01-08T22:14:48Z")
> [@CoRrUpTiGe](#): > > It perplexes me the CODE. boys are running way from THEIR intent on this like scared little girls > [@CoRrUpTiGe](#): > > you CODE. boys aren’t man enough Why is it that carebears always talk like this? Is this some kind of internet badass talk an attempt to sound tough? I don’t get it. Also, it’s hilarious to see THIS MANY people, I’m assuming, like, fully grown, functional adults who play this game. THIS MANY actual adults, be so triggered and so scared of a group of roleplayers in a video game (yeah, CODE. is actually just a player group that roleplays in highsec with their ganking shenanigans), that they’d go on a forum crusade to cry about it. I’ve never seen so many people get this buttmad over a bunch of roleplayers as I have in EVE Online’s official forums. Like, CODE. is such a tiny fraction of the entire EVE Online ecosystem, but to carebears, it’s literally the only thing that matters to them. I don’t understand it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dealing-with-suicide-gankers/210259.md?page=6)