# Dear CCP, I want to be a miner as a solo player, but it feels like the system is designed to punish me **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [November 23, 2025, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546 "2025-11-23T09:22:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/227 "2026-01-06T13:45:19Z")
Correct. That is why it’s “whoever” and not “whomever” as you asserted. Whomever is for the object. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/228 "2026-01-06T13:47:11Z")
Whoever is the subject and whomever is the object ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/229 "2026-01-06T13:48:31Z")
Yes, which is why your statement here: > [@Glenduil](#): > > And it’s “whomever”. It’s not “whoever”. ..Is incorrect. Much like most of what you post. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/230 "2026-01-06T14:08:40Z")
I looked up example after example and came here to admit you were right. No need to be snarky. ■■■■■■■ eve players. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/231 "2026-01-06T14:09:34Z")
Then don’t be so confidently wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/232 "2026-01-06T14:15:18Z")
I’ll be more careful when they answer my question ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/233 "2026-01-06T15:11:00Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > And it’s “whomever”. It’s not “whoever”. Glen, you started it, and you were wrong. I think you need to give Namdor a proper apology, not that weird shifting the focus halfway through to blaming the EVE community for his having better grammar than you. It’s simple, just say ”I was wrong, and I’m sorry I posted that reply. I can see now that I was arrogant, and I thank you for helping me. I’ll better myself in the future.” ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/234 "2026-01-06T15:20:52Z")
Okay. I’m sorry Can we get to my question now? After all of the trolling you have personally thrown at me for mining in high sec? If I’m so dumb for mining in high sec using an Orca and Hulk, how much can i make simply mining in Null? Please account for scanning, searching for otjer systems, etc.. at the end of the day, how much ISK, after selling to the corp, could i walk away with? 500 billion? 1 trillion? How much? What if I use a Rorqual instead of an Orca? ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/235 "2026-01-06T15:35:52Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > I’ll be more careful when they answer my question Were those serious questions? WoUlD i BE abLE tO maKe a TriLlIoN iSk PeR dAY?!?!?11?1? Are we supposed to treat that like a sincere question asked in good faith instead of childish idiocy? What underlying point are you even trying to get at here? Do you actually _believe_ that highsec mining is going to yield more ISK - per hour, per day, or by whatever other insipid denominator you prefer - than nullsec mining? > [@Glenduil](#): > > Please account for scanning, searching for otjer systems, Do you believe those activities are part of day-to-day nullsec alliance mining? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/236 "2026-01-06T15:48:26Z")
> [@Namdor](#): > > Are we supposed to treat that like a sincere question asked in good faith instead of childish idiocy? That’s what so many people in these forums have been saying. In this thread, multiple people have laughed at what I make in High Sec. I can mine moon ore for 3 days without scanning down a single anomaly. that’s three days of straight mining. If I buy a second Athanor, I can do it for 6 days. If I’m being called stupid for mining like that, and not going to Null, I think it’s a fair question to ask how much I’d make in Null. > [@Syzygium](#): > > And whoever has only two accounts and uses them for one Orca and one Exhumer to mine moon ore in HS is even dumber. Hard facts! See? I was called stupid for mining moon ore. It’s fair to ask for an exact amount one would get in Null. This is not a hard question. It’s a very simple question. I find it very amusing that it’s making people in Low and Null uncomfortable. Reddit says I can only make twice what I make now. That’s not enough to cover the loss of my ships. 110m per hour with scanning down anomalies (which takes time and requires Umbrella protection). If you count all of the time scanning and traveling, the end result isn’t that much more than I make now. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/237 "2026-01-06T16:18:22Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > That’s what so many people in these forums have been saying. Nobody has said you would make a trillion isk a day. > [@Glenduil](#): > > In this thread, multiple people have laughed at what I make in High Sec. That’s because 30m/hr/character is very low (even for high sec). > [@Glenduil](#): > > I can mine moon ore for 3 days without scanning down a single anomaly. that’s three days of straight mining. If I buy a second Athanor, I can do it for 6 days. Great? If you do this in null, the ores are actually worth mining. > [@Glenduil](#): > > Reddit says I can only make twice what I make now. The answer is ultimately “it depends” because there are many variables. For you, specifically, I think Reddit is probably being pretty optimistic. > [@Glenduil](#): > > That’s not enough to cover the loss of my ships. Don’t lose them then? > [@Glenduil](#): > > 110m per hour with scanning down anomalies (which takes time and requires Umbrella protection). If you count all of the time scanning and traveling, the end result isn’t that much more than I make now. What time scanning and traveling? Explain what sov null mining looks like in the Glenduil-verse. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/238 "2026-01-06T16:22:54Z")
> [@Namdor](#): > > Nobody has said you would make a trillion isk a day. They literally said I make peanuts compared to what I would make in Null. I know what I make in High Sec. By comparison, for that to be peanuts, I’d be making billions an hour in Null. I exaggerated a little when I said trillions, but I’m not sorry. I’ll do it again. I make more than 30m per hour. > [@Namdor](#): > > Great? If you do this in null, the ores are actually worth mining. Okay. How long can I mine it? 3 days? What will be my take home pay for that at the end of just one day? Still haven’t seen that answered. It’s not a hard question. What’s the number? Reddit says 110m an hour on average. That’s not that much. > [@Namdor](#): > > What time scanning and traveling? Explain what sov null mining looks like in the Glenduil-verse. Okay- help me understand what you know about this game? Are you aware of anomalies? Do you know about scanning down such anomalies? Where should I begin? If there are anomalies worth mining in null sec and that’s where the best mining is done, I wanted to know how rare those were and how hard they are to find. Anomalies are scanned down using probes. Do you understand now? Do you know what probes are? ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/239 "2026-01-06T16:55:57Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > I make more than 30m per hour. The number you’ve previously given was 60m/hr running two characters, or 30m/hr/char. Has it changed significantly since then? > [@Glenduil](#): > > Okay. How long can I mine it? 3 days? As long as you want, sport. There are a lot of moons out there. > [@Glenduil](#): > > Are you aware of anomalies? Sure am! > [@Glenduil](#): > > Do you know about scanning down such anomalies? > > If there are anomalies worth mining in null sec and that’s where the best mining is done, I wanted to know how rare those were and how hard they are to find. > > Anomalies are scanned down using probes. Do you understand now? Do you know what probes are? Anomalies aren’t scanned down at all; _signatures_ are scanned. Anomalies are simply available to warp to directly. There _are_ “hidden” ore sites that do need to be scanned; these are cosmic signatures. Hidden sites are a relatively new addition and not really a significant aspect of industrialized mining operations, as you seem to think. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/240 "2026-01-06T17:10:10Z")
Because I don’t split up the cash between them. They’re computer code. Nothing more. And the Orca doesn’t make ISK. It doesn’t mine. It supports. Do I have to draw a picture for you with crayons? And your refusal to answer the question has clearly answered it for me. Null Sec is garbage all around. Thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/241 "2026-01-06T17:17:37Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Because I don’t split up the cash between them. They’re computer code. Nothing more. You have a whole account that is basically just for sitting there and assisting with ISK generation that you’re spending money or PLEX on. That you want to just ignore that in the accounting probably explains a lot about why you make so little. > [@Glenduil](#): > > And your refusal to answer the question has clearly answered it for me. Null Sec is garbage all around. Thanks for playing. Please understand that I am fine with you being a brokie. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/242 "2026-01-06T17:19:13Z")
Oh you helped prove I’m not a brokie. I can’t make much more in Null than I do now. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/243 "2026-01-06T18:27:21Z")
Again, 30m/hr/char is low even for highsec. That you don’t like null is an entirely separate matter. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/244 "2026-01-06T18:45:37Z")
The same combo would net me only twice that in Null sec. That’s not enough of a lure. 😀 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/245 "2026-01-06T18:51:34Z")
You would only run the same combo in nullsec if you were extremely stupid. A person with a brain would drop the orca, run two exhumers, and rely on a more established corpmate for their boosts. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2026, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/246 "2026-01-06T18:59:33Z")
Sure thing, buddy. I’ll be sure to do that the second I go to Null Sec. Of course, you just called every single pilot of an Industrial Command ship stupid because those ships don’t generate much ISK by themselves. It’s a waste of everyone’s time to pilot one of those alone. Sitting there in siege mode making your own light show for hours… just nothing but a waste of time. Can’t even align to escape if needed. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546.md?page=13)