# Dear CCP, I want to be a miner as a solo player, but it feels like the system is designed to punish me **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [November 23, 2025, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546 "2025-11-23T09:22:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Yengwayo\_Zembutoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yengwayo_zembutoo/32/456345_2.png) [@Yengwayo\_Zembutoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yengwayo_Zembutoo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/45 "2025-11-30T08:31:06Z")
> [@Yukisa](#): > > Mining is just stupid for solo pve when other more lucrative activities 100% agree, this is why I’ve been pushing to make mining more like PI, set up your facilities on moons and just like PI pick it up, let’s players free to roam and pursue more lucrative opportunities instead of grinding for hours to build things we need. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/46 "2025-11-30T09:31:26Z")
I’ve been in mining fleets where there’s 50 ships on grid being controlled by 4 players. That’s multiboxing in a group. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/47 "2025-11-30T14:13:31Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Oh another contested statement. After all, “Players fly bigger ships in null all the time.” > > At least that’s what people on these forums keep claiming. You keep confusing the statement “People fly bigger more expensive ships in null sec than in high sec” with “People \*_always_ fly bigger more expensive ships in null sec than in high sec”. The difference is subtle. If people sometimes fly cheap affordable ships in null sec that does not refute the first statement, it only refutes the second statement because it is a flawed interpretation of the first. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/48 "2025-11-30T16:26:25Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Oh another contested statement. After all, “Players fly bigger ships in null all the time.” > > At least that’s what people on these forums keep claiming. What ships do you imagine people are flying in null, and what do you imagine they’re doing with them? ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_Van\_Death](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angel_van_death/32/477684_2.png) [@Angel\_Van\_Death](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angel_Van_Death)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/49 "2025-11-30T17:38:49Z")
Dear customer. Keep in mind eve online is not a single player game. If you have trouble to understand thia, please considere game like anno or any other game that has single player support. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/50 "2025-11-30T17:48:01Z")
Yes it is, it can be any game you want it to be. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/51 "2025-11-30T17:53:53Z")
Yes, Eve Online is a single-player platform. If you choose to run missions, mine, rat the belts, run ESS sites, etc. as a solo player, then everything else is considered part of the environment that is live and taking place around you. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_Van\_Death](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angel_van_death/32/477684_2.png) [@Angel\_Van\_Death](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angel_Van_Death)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/52 "2025-11-30T18:00:17Z")
You obviously dont understand the game. Your opinion are invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/53 "2025-11-30T18:03:05Z")
Please name a single feature in this game that was specifically implemented to stop people from playing solo. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/54 "2025-11-30T18:53:34Z")
Depends on what you consider ‘playing solo’ to be. Is solo playing with only your own character? Is it only your own characters, multiple? Is it gameplay where your character or characters are not interrupted by other players in this MMO? People tend to have different ideas of ‘solo gameplay’. In this particular context I think Angel Van Death meant that EVE is an MMO where other players can interfere with your gameplay. So even if you hide in for example an instanced abyssal PvE site for up to 20 minutes you eventually have to get out (or die) where upon your return other players can attack your ship in a multiplayer setting. The OP however seems to have been talking about solo as in playing only with their own single character. On the other hand multiboxers generally will call it solo gameplay if they’re a fleet of 10 all by themselves. Playing solo in EVE is possible in the first sense, but not in the sense that other players cannot interfere with your gameplay, like you could in solo games. So, the answer to your question depends on your definition of ‘playing solo’. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/55 "2025-11-30T18:58:22Z")
Alpha players make a career out of gas sniffing in cheap ships and make pretty good money. Others make a career out of soloing missions or Abyss sites. They can make pretty good money. No multiple accounts or alts of any kind. Every now and then they may lose a ship, but their career path pays off the loss. That’s my idea of soloing. They need no help from anyone. They log in, play, and log out. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/56 "2025-11-30T19:06:56Z")
> [@Kana\_Kito](#): > > But mining as a pve activity should be profitable for a solo non-multiboxer Depends on your definition of “profitable”. You are not using a multibillion ISK Marauder nor Faction-Battleship nor Blinged-to-the-death Abyssal Cruiser with another multibillion ISK clone attached. Basically you do _risk_ almost nothing that you bring to the table while mining. A simple Barge with T2 equipment is already enough. An Exhumer if you want a bit more performance. How much money do you expect from a dirt-cheap activity like that? If you really want to mine “true solo”, anchor a small POS in a wormhole full of belts. Learn how to cut-off connections and just roll everything away before you start. A single belt there probably lasts for days if you just use a single mining ship without any boosts. The question remains why you want to play a mass-multiplayer-online-game with a subscription model to do such a thing? Go play the X-series without any costs attached, you can be a huge industrial tycoon and be completely left alone… ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/57 "2025-11-30T19:17:37Z")
Solo gas sniffers mine gas in an Alpha Venture on an Alpha account and make way more than a blinged Exhumer in High Sec. And some of these guys huff gas while AFK much of the time. Actual AFK- they set timers to return to the computer to see if they’re still alive. I’m curious why you’re not using them in your example. Is it because you simply want to complain about Exhumers in High Sec because it’s fashionable to do so? I mine at keys watching local the whole time and I’m accused of being a low-life AFK miner while an Alpha account in a free ship is mining way more valuable substances while off playing the X-box and he’s considered a great player. You all make no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/58 "2025-11-30T19:22:53Z")
_If you are an idiot, even a golden wrench won’t make you a good plumber._ Your example is perfect to deliver a simple message: LEAVE HIGHSEC. Simple as that. You basically get paid to be content for other players. In HS only the most basic low-value ores are present, and rightly so (rare exceptions, often highly contested). Go anywhere else and make fortunes, even in much cheaper ships. Win, win, win. And hell if you at some day dare to huff that valuabe gas with a full-boosted exhumer instead of a dirt-cheap venture, then you’ll drown in money. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/59 "2025-11-30T19:25:53Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > They need no help from anyone but they do rely on other players. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/60 "2025-11-30T19:27:30Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > LEAVE HIGHSEC. Simple as that. You basically get paid to be content for other players. And there it is. You don’t care about anything miners do- whether they’re AFK or not or whether mining is low or high risk. All you care about is location. That’s all. Do you want to know why players stay in High Sec? Because of people like you. You’re an angry and spiteful player lashing out at players simply because of location. I risk more in High Sec than any Alpha player could ever dream of risking in Low Sec sniffing gas. I also put way more money into this game. I have billions in assets and I move billions through all of High Sec including back and forth through Uedama. But none of that matters because someone told you to be mad at High Sec players and you said “Sure!” Can’t even give a single valid reason. My profit isn’t your concern. I’m not leaving for null just so some basement dwelling null bear won’t be hate me so much. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/61 "2025-11-30T19:27:51Z")
Rely? Do you know what that word even means? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/62 "2025-11-30T19:28:34Z")
How do players make money mining? selling it… who buys it? OtHeR pLaYeRs I need missiles or drones, how do i get those? other players ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/63 "2025-11-30T19:31:12Z")
That’s not the concern of the solo player. But hey, if it matters to you, then keep going with it. It doesn’t matter to me. But if that’s what you think then there is absolutely no such thing as a solo player in this game. End of discussion then. Solo players don’t exist. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/64 "2025-11-30T19:37:08Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > And there it is. You don’t care about anything miners do- whether they’re AFK or not or whether mining is low or high risk. > > All you care about is location. That’s all. Sure, outside HS anyone to be found AFK can (and probably will) simply be killed by the next best player that spots him. HS players hide behind a magic CONCORD shield and they are only at “risk” if they are incredibly stupid AND have the bad luck that a ganking crew spots them while being AFK. Risk of losing your ship in HS is _well_ below the risk of losing it in _any other area_. Thats why the profits should be the lowest by far as well. Simple logic. > [@Glenduil](#): > > Do you want to know why players stay in High Sec? Because of people like you. Absolutely not. I have teached, trained and motivated more players to leave highsec and experience an EVE Online like it was meant to be than you have ever talked to. And you know what they generally say after listening to me: “OH LORD how stupid was I to spend half a year in HS when all the riches you just showed me were just a handful of jumps away!!!”. Case closed. > [@Glenduil](#): > > I risk more in High Sec You risk nothing. You hide behind a magic CONCORD shield. Thats why you deserve peanuts. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546.md?page=4)