# Dear CCP, I want to be a miner as a solo player, but it feels like the system is designed to punish me **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [November 23, 2025, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546 "2025-11-23T09:22:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/127 "2025-12-11T17:08:18Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > I don’t even know what a Heron is besides a ship I’ve never flown. I don’t have all of this ■■■■ memorized. I suppose I could > > D-Scan… > > D-Scan… > > D-Scan… > > D-Scan… > > See a ship, look it up, learn what it can and cannot do, determine whether it’s a threat, return to the game, and see that I’m already podded. > > I’m not even sorry that I have more things to do than study this stupid game during my free time. It’s much faster to just retreat into a safe location. I suspect this is why you sat docked while your corp was offline in null sec, and why you dislike null sec gameplay. Many of us _do_ know what ships pose which kinds of threats based on the hull name alone that we see on dscan. For those players who do know a bit more about the game using dscan is an invaluable tool to know what’s happening in space around us, and a way to stay alive while we are undocked. Of course you could simply dock up whenever any ship appears, but this isn’t the most efficient use of your time. > [@Glenduil](#): > > This game is not required reading. I had enough of that ■■■■ in World of Warcraft and FFXIV doing mythic raiding and Mythic+ dungeons. –Stand here during this phase- move out of this- move into this spot during this phase- stand in this fire, but don’t stand in that fire- here’s the weird thing you have to do during this mechanic- etc… all in one fight. All to learn each boss like that to maximize your chances of bringing it down quickly only to forget about all of it when the next raid comes out. I’ve had my fill of that kind of content. Been there. Done that. Of course you could play Chess without knowing all the moves every piece makes, just with trial and error and an opponent telling you if your moves are legitimate, but being content with such a lack of knowledge on the game won’t make you a good Chess player. Likewise better players in EVE will realize they can recognise threats based on ship hull names on dscan. A Flycatcher can use an interdiction bubble, an Arazu has long warp disruptors and can light cynos, a Proteus on a gate may be trying to smartbomb your shuttle… It’s experience you get while playing the game. Of course you could ‘play the game’ by mining in HS, without looking at dscan and ignoring ship names, but this is not how the majority of players plays EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/128 "2025-12-11T17:20:00Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I suspect this is why you sat docked while your corp was offline in null sec, and why you dislike null sec gameplay. I’ve explained that to you- that was back when I had one ship- a Hurricane and didn’t know what I was doing- had no ISK, and no mentorship. After losing that ship, I left and went back to High Sec. Shortly after, I quit the game. Things are different now, but I still hate Null. I can clearly afford to lose ships now, but I just see no carrot worth the stick in Null. To me, it’s like self-destructing my ships for no damn reason. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/129 "2025-12-11T17:44:14Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > To me, it’s like self-destructing my ships for no damn reason. Maybe they will live longer now that you know D-scan isn’t just for j-space, though? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/130 "2025-12-11T17:47:46Z")
Again… why? “Go to Null!” Why? I’ve been there. I’ve been there multiple times. I’ve been in J-space. I’ve seen it. There is no carrot worth the stick. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/131 "2025-12-11T17:52:53Z")
I don’t think poking fun at your inability to leave highsec without (apparently) your ships spontaneously self-destructing for no damn reason is the same thing as advising you to go to null. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/132 "2025-12-11T17:58:25Z")
A few weeks ago, I took a 500m ISK ship over 30 jumps into Null, flew around for an hour, then flew back all the while posting screenshots of my entire journey and broadcasting on these forums what my destination was. I don’t mind losing ships. But I am not going to live in an area that I don’t find enjoyable. Ask @Gerard_Amatin . He saw the thread and all of the screenshots I was posting as I was taking them. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/133 "2025-12-11T18:30:44Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > A few weeks ago, I took a 500m ISK ship over 30 jumps into Null, flew around for an hour, then flew back all the while posting screenshots of my entire journey and broadcasting on these forums what my destination was. Yes, and we all feel a little bit of sympathetic embarrassment on your behalf every time you bring it up. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/134 "2025-12-11T18:43:40Z")
What the hell do you all want from me? “Go to null!” I went to Null. “Get out of Null” I leave. In the last year I’ve solo flown several ships through Null and even joined a fleet of a 1,200 ships through null. It’s never enough for you people. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/135 "2025-12-11T19:12:36Z")
We want you to join Frat and mine for them instead. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/136 "2025-12-11T19:16:43Z")
I can’t. I have deleted my entire Email and communication log and therefore have no ESI info to offer. I keep all communications and emails private and will never ever give them up in a corporate application. They get deleted almost immediately after being read. My ESI is pretty much the definition of a spy. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/137 "2025-12-11T20:35:58Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > What the hell do you all want from me? “Go to null!” I went to Null. “Get out of Null” I leave. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I think it would be cool if you stopped posting a ton of misinformation about parts of the game you have no meaningful experience with. I could not care less what area of space you play in. > I can’t. I have deleted my entire Email and communication log and therefore have no ESI info to offer. I keep all communications and emails private and will never ever give them up in a corporate application. They get deleted almost immediately after being read. My ESI is pretty much the definition of a spy. Buddy I assure you there is nothing about your ESI data that anyone in any large bloc organization would find even remotely interesting. Eve recruitment scrutiny is 99% a meme. I have alts I haven’t logged into in an age that are now in WinterCo _completely by accident_. One of them even has roles! And, to be clear, I’m not saying “Go join Frat”. You shouldn’t, Frat sucks. I AM saying your, “But muh ESI!” excuse is comical nonsense. Nobody cares about your Evemails, and why would they? Do you think Eve spies are sending OTP-encoded eve-mails about enemy fleet movements or something? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/138 "2025-12-11T21:16:48Z")
It was meant to be comical. No carrot. Too much stick. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/139 "2025-12-11T21:20:50Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > No carrot. Too much stick. This might be a relevant thing to say if I cared where you played, but I still don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Yukisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yukisa/32/480609_2.png) [@Yukisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yukisa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/140 "2025-12-12T04:15:25Z")
You guys are so great at derailing threads with pointless personal squabbles, this must be the premiere PVP activity.. meanwhile, solo mining these hidden ore sites is still no bueno. For a class of ships intended to ninja mine it’s rather unrewarding and actually a waste of time hunting down hidden ore anoms in LS or NS on a prospect or endurance only to be shut down by random NPC spawns. Bad design is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/141 "2025-12-12T07:15:10Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > There is no carrot worth the stick. Then why are NullSec players able to afford Titans and Supercapitals on a regular basis? I mean, those alliances there have _thousands_ of them, you know that, right? They are objectively the richest players in the whole game and it seems related to the space they live in. ---
**Author:** ![Xela\_Dioved](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xela_dioved/32/498472_2.png) [@Xela\_Dioved](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xela_Dioved)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/142 "2025-12-24T01:47:33Z")
If that’s your goal, then set your skill plan to support it. Drones will defend you from most NPC rats, but it’s not something you can do well whilst AFK. I only use D-Scan for hunting. Use Local, check for kills on the Map. Be wary and always align yourself. These are relatively low effort and reasonably safe. (You are never completely safe, unless docked…maybe) ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2025, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/143 "2025-12-25T02:45:40Z")
The system isn’t designed to punish anyone. CCP has set forth rules and consequences those who attack ships simply traveling through a system that is considered safe. Those who violate the rules suffer ship loss and podding, which pales in comparison to the loss incurred by the miner. My best suggestion is, set all known High Sec ganker corps and alliances to -10 and use [UedamaScout - Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/uedamascout) to monitor popular ganker system activity. UedamaScout’s Twitch channel is a very good channel. Connect to the Twitch channel using your phone or tablet then mine away. AFK mining as it is called is usually someone who has stepped away from mining due to an emergency that does not necessitate docking up. Or for whatever reason, maybe washing dishes or cleaning the floor while mining, it’s an efficiency thing, a person choosing to do two things at once. The status alert system that merely creates a sound to inform the miner or mission runner that gankers are in system is a necessary action. Not only to ensure ganker tears are collected but also a vision health thing. There isn’t any damage being done to the gamers vision by AFK’ing, but being glued to the screen while mining does create vision issues. Blah, blah, blah, just dock up then is the excuse always given. ---
**Author:** ![Asveron\_Durr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/asveron_durr/32/473468_2.png) [@Asveron\_Durr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Asveron_Durr)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/144 "2025-12-25T17:23:01Z")
you can solo mine all you want… But mining is for manufacturing…not making direct isk… Why are you trying to be a victim and dependent on what others say the price is? ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/145 "2025-12-26T00:36:20Z")
Mining is for manufacturing, which is then sold on the market for direct ISK. Try using the Tholos as a Covert Ops cloaked mining vessel. You won’t be able to mine a large amount, but instant cloaking and warping away will surely miff the gankers off. The Tholos is basically a versatile combat that ship that is able to mine, rat belts, raid ESS and run Data and Relic sites in Null. Simply take a mobile depot along and fit accordingly. The Cenotaph is the larger version. Exploration missions using a Proteus supported by Cenotaph and Tholos is a very deadly combination. The Tholos and Cenotaph are also great support for mining in any designation of space. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2025, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-ccp-i-want-to-be-a-miner-as-a-solo-player-but-it-feels-like-the-system-is-designed-to-punish-me/501546/146 "2025-12-26T03:16:10Z")
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