# Dear suspect baiters, what will you do, with neutral logi banned from highsec? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 28, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087 "2019-02-28T17:22:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/1 "2019-02-28T17:22:23Z")
_Poll ([view on site](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/1))_ ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/2 "2019-02-28T17:41:17Z")
Option 3: No time for wasting doing that crap. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/3 "2019-02-28T17:58:07Z")
I need to vote to see the results. i’m not a suspect baiter. critical design flaw detected. mind blown ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/4 "2019-02-28T18:00:17Z")
My first poll, didn’t know what option to tick. But as you are not a suspect baiter, your vote is not requested. Works as intended. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/5 "2019-02-28T18:02:25Z")
That’s baitist. I feel discriminated. Good Luck™ with your poll! 😃 Hold on! You’re a suspect baiter? I had no idea! ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/6 "2019-02-28T18:12:56Z")
guess ill click a random one and scew your stats just so i can see too ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/7 "2019-02-28T18:13:35Z")
We have a bingo! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/8 "2019-02-28T18:20:25Z")
Baiters gona bait. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/9 "2019-02-28T20:34:28Z")
To actually state something on topic, and because the thread seems so sad and lonely: Maybe they’ll grow out of their pampers and manage to stop being losers who **require** to win to feel good about themselves. There. Was this helpful? 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ghost_o_mo/32/376789_2.png) [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ghost_O_Mo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/10 "2019-02-28T21:46:27Z")
I always mostly did it solo (have enjoyed reps before, but rarely… never had an alt for it) … but have kind of quit because it’s a mess to do since Crimewatch and the flipper exodus. Risk reward for it is pretty unbalanced. If and when I do it again… I’ll still not use reps… so I clicked continue doing is as it wouldn’t be a change for me. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/11 "2019-02-28T21:55:56Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Maybe they’ll grow out of their pampers and manage to stop being losers who **require** to win to feel good about themselves. To be fair, losing as a suspect baiter to your victim is embarrassing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ghost_o_mo/32/376789_2.png) [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ghost_O_Mo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/12 "2019-03-01T01:42:32Z")
Nah, I used to lose all the time. If you aren’t losing you aren’t challenging yourself. Losing isn’t an indication of skill… it’s an indication of how hard you’re pushing your skills. I’ve never looked up to someone who was afraid to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/13 "2019-03-01T10:39:55Z")
What are the results so far? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/14 "2019-03-01T10:41:03Z")
8 votes, 63/37 yes/no. My own vote was yes, cause I’m generally playing without alts. I can’t change the vote settings without voiding the counts. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/15 "2019-03-01T11:42:26Z")
Lot of people seem to be missing that the CONCORDOKKEN for neutral logi is linked to some strict requirements. Under the new rules suspect baiters can still use in-corp/alliance alts if at war, or any neutral logi if not at war. Although I doubt that people falling for suspect/killright baiting are paying attention to logi on grid and what corp/alliance those belong too. Edit: as linked below by @Tipa_Riot CCP intends to extend the criminal offense to remote reps to people with limited engagements / duels. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/16 "2019-03-01T11:46:58Z")
According to an update by CCP Lebowski it’s the same for everyone then, war or not. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/17 "2019-03-01T11:58:32Z")
> [@Devblog: War, War Sometimes Changes](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-war-war-sometimes-changes/142879/192): > > So weird eh, its almost as if there’s currently a team working on the war declaration system, strange… Regarding the many questions about neutral logi lets just clarify: After April, if a neutral character applies a remote assistance module (such as a remote repairer) to another character they will receive a criminal flag if their target meets ALL of the following conditions: is involved in a war (normal wars or factional warfare) does not share a corp/alliance (or FW side if the war in que… Still reads to me as no criminal flag if target NOT at war, OR target shares a corp/alliance. (WTB that “go to next dev response” button from the old forums.) Edit: there is another dev response, see below) ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/18 "2019-03-01T11:59:34Z")
Yep, neutral assistance in any limited engagement is a criminal act now, so dead for any highsec combat outside corps in wars. EDIT: Never mind, false alarm, but it has consequences to war fights, if one participant goes suspect (e.g. killright), and engaged by a neutral, he can’t receive reps anymore. EDIT2: Although the changes have some merits, they will certainly reduce PvP in highsec even further. ---
**Author:** ![R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/r-0-b-0-c-o-p/32/474175_2.png) [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/R-0-B-0-C-O-P)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/19 "2019-03-01T12:25:43Z")
I will reread it but I read war or limited engagement = criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087/20 "2019-03-01T12:29:12Z")
Here is the statement: > [@Devblog: War, War Sometimes Changes](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-war-war-sometimes-changes/142879/556): > > Morning all, Thanks for all the passionate discussion on the subjects here, I wanted to just make a correction to some of the responses I was making yesterday as I was misinformed. To clarify for the questions on suspect baiting, after the april release, (and completely separate from the criminal flagging for repping war targets), providing remote assistance to a player in high sec who is currently in a limited engagement will be a criminal offence, regardless of their war status. This contra… [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dear-suspect-baiters-what-will-you-do-with-neutral-logi-banned-from-highsec/143087.md?page=2)