# Deathless ships **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [November 1, 2024, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471 "2024-11-01T03:55:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![klaus\_bloodfest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/klaus_bloodfest/32/438963_2.png) [@klaus\_bloodfest](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/klaus_bloodfest)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/1 "2024-11-01T03:55:02Z")
Will there be any PVE viability to these ships? ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/2 "2024-11-01T05:24:05Z")
I would say that it’s limited. Not much PVE happens at 6km or less. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/3 "2024-11-01T05:28:44Z")
And even if, the ammo will be prohibitively expensive for PVE. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/4 "2024-11-01T10:49:23Z")
With a ‘superpowerful’ weapon that: - can fire once every 10 seconds - takes well over a minute to take out max 75% of the HP of enemy ship - has a range of 12km (for the BC version) - cannot be stacked (like a fleet of Thunderchilds blitzing PvE) … I don’t think this ship will be very competitive for PvE. Maybe the unbonused rockets and autocannons can deal with the small ships while the new gun partially deals with the bigger stuff, who knows. I don’t think it will be viable for PvE. ---
**Author:** ![AnatanD\_Airin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anatand_airin/32/383830_2.png) [@AnatanD\_Airin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AnatanD_Airin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/5 "2024-11-01T12:31:56Z")
Perhaps NPCs have dread, officers ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/6 "2024-11-01T12:35:11Z")
Maybe against those it can help, but I doubt the ship itself can stand it’s ground against such ships, so it would be a multi-character setup. And such big NPC ships have significantly more than 100k hitpoints and not very high resistances, which means you hit the 1k dps cap with this gun or the equivalent of up to 2k against resistances. A Marauder would probably do better with I expect much better defences against such a target. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/7 "2024-11-01T12:46:05Z")
It might be used in HighTier WH space where some of the Advanced Sleeper BS and the Drifter / Avengers have very high HP. But just as addon to an already existing fleet to make all of them bleed HP while the fleets munch down the primary, to maximize the runspeed. People will proably test out if it is worth it to replace one standard damage dealer for such a BreacherPod Spammer. If it’s a financial profit, they will use it. If not, then they won’t. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/8 "2024-11-01T22:23:50Z")
a [Corpus Apostle | EVE Ref](https://everef.net/types/16941) has 17k HP while an [Apocalypse | EVE Ref](https://everef.net/types/642) has 22 before skills and I have 27.9k with skills ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/d/4/5d43549662f179bd6abc9e2c6c8231449f2ecfa3.jpeg) Need to check on other rats/ships but that far the pod would be only 61% as effective against NPC as against players ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Xalon\_Hawk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xalon_hawk/32/442735_2.png) [@Xalon\_Hawk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xalon_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/9 "2024-11-15T23:15:26Z")
Yes, of course there are. The Cruiser can be used in the new sites you can run from the Merc Dens. Everything is tailored for PVP but that does not mean you cannot knock out some PVE along the way. Just make sure you have the tank to be that close to enemies, but from what I saw in the simulated fittings, these ships are going to be BEASTS. GL! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deathless-ships/466471/10 "2025-02-13T23:16:07Z")
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