# December 2017 Arms Race Release – General Feedback **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** release, armsrace, official\ **Created:** [December 4, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336 "2017-12-04T11:23:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Dartagana\_Donald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dartagana_donald/32/43415_2.png) [@Dartagana\_Donald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dartagana_Donald)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/142 "2017-12-13T08:07:42Z")
Please reply me. Please reply us all that why this happend. Maybe you guys spent time to train your “Hide the truth V” or “Fool the player V” or same kind of skills, then who should be responsible for this miss connections? 100% because we are greedy? You mean you guys have no fault about this right? Then I’m done with CCP in two months. I choose to be a trader but you guys want me to take this because you tried to hide the truth and you succeed. Done with CCP. Bye EVE. ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/143 "2017-12-13T08:57:44Z")
I am so glad, that scammers and speculants go “Done with CCP. Bye EVE.” This is a PvP game, not some “I watch the numbers, I win”. If that event will mean I will be able to sell the stuff I loot or produce without being 0.01 ISKed straight away, it would be awesome. Speculants tears - best tears. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Dragon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_dragon/32/168256_2.png) [@CCP\_Dragon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/144 "2017-12-13T09:22:00Z")
> [@Dartagana\_Donald](#): > > you tried to hide the truth I never tried to hide the truth. Hopefully you will find the answers to your concerns in my following replies. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > My argument is: it’s okay to announce specific dates and it’s also okay to not announce dates, but it is odd to announce a false date. Understandable how this confusion came about. We consider this 3 separate “events” and tried to communicate this internally to find a way to make this known to the community. However, even with our own internal communications, the importance of the 3 events was overlooked and thus not communicated to the community. To clarify, the Arms Race, Rogue Swarm Alert, and Yoiul Festival are three separate events. Arms Race and Yoiul Festival just happen to have challenges that point towards the Rogue Swarms. While the Alert itself is what controls the availability of sites. > [@Ando\_Masahashi](#): > > Where in this update changelog does it say that the Arms Race event is separate from the Rogue Drone sites? I trust our community and marketing in their work, just like they trust me. They do not look over my shoulder on everything I do and I extend the same courtesy. Although in many cases they ask if things are okay before the go out, the statements found in the update news item you posted are accurate, in my opinion. There was no intention of deceit, but rather an accidental game of broken telephone. My apologies. > [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > during the week of the event Correct. The suggestion was that they should drop something and if not it was a bug. Very few players reported the bug, but we checked on it internally and made steps to correct it. Unfortunately given the timing, the fix did not go live until yesterday (Tuesday). > [@erg\_cz](#): > > This is a PvP game Some might consider the market a PVP activity. Speculation is just one weapon to use in that activity. > [@Coronus\_Vistule](#): > > so you are going to whine because you are… greedy? Miscommunication is a problem and their feedback is still valid. Even if some might say the reasoning is not valid. I will say this, the game should not lie. That should be the constant here. On the surface it appears to be a lie: the game said the event ends on 12/12. The only reason it is not a lie is because the sites are not considered part of the event. Which makes it a miscommunication and a misunderstanding. This part, the miscommunication, is the part that we, CCP, can and should correct in the future. This is why I believe the feedback is valid. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/145 "2017-12-13T10:09:52Z")
> [@CCP\_Dragon](#): > > To clarify, the Arms Race, Rogue Swarm Alert, and Yoiul Festival are three separate events. Arms Race and Yoiul Festival just happen to have challenges that point towards the Rogue Swarms. While the Alert itself is what controls the availability of sites. can you be more specific in the future. Market pvp depends on when the event end. You changed the rules when game is still on. If someone pay RL money to get the accelerators he/she might be a little angry about it. Again: Rogue drone hives - spawning dates? start-end? Arms race 5-12 december - gathering points from rouge drone hives to get rewards. Yoiul Festival - date? start-end? from where to get point for the agency? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/146 "2017-12-13T10:43:07Z")
> [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > I presume you meant 24 hours per skill accelerator You presume false. I have bio V on all my toons. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/147 "2017-12-13T10:53:13Z")
> [@CCP\_Dragon](#): > > To clarify, the Arms Race, Rogue Swarm Alert, and Yoiul Festival are three separate events. I propose you a very easy patch : Do not ever make several events be running together. There is an event that require to kill drones /asteroid rats ?okay, it’s running. Then comes the event that spawns a lot of drones ? stop the first event, then run the second one. Just have internally one rule that forces the game to only run ONE event at the same time. This will also be better for you, because less bad-interactions between the events. ---
**Author:** ![Dani\_Murano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dani_murano/32/41357_2.png) [@Dani\_Murano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dani_Murano)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/148 "2017-12-13T11:21:38Z")
> [@erg\_cz](#): > > I am so glad, that scammers and speculants go “Done with CCP. Bye EVE.” This is a PvP game, not some “I watch the numbers, I win”. If that event will mean I will be able to sell the stuff I loot or produce without being 0.01 ISKed straight away, it would be awesome. Speculants tears - best tears. And you think that market is no PVP? Nearly everything on the market is player made. And you compete with other players over the prices and the marge. If you want to complain about it, first lern what PVP means. PVP is not only the Pewpew. And dont get me wrong. I am not doing market stuff. This is not my profession. But i do respect it as a big PVP activity of EVE. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/149 "2017-12-13T11:37:01Z")
> [@Gemma\_Skord](#): > > i have alreadi moved 30 jumps to a remote system. there is still lots of competition. > > what makes it so bad is that site stays on overview until last dron e is killed so anytime someone can warp in and sniper the overmind drone. Yesterday we were roaming in 0.0 space and killed 2 or 3 persons running these sites 👌 And every system we visited had 3-4 such sites. Look somewhere outside high-sec! ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/150 "2017-12-13T11:46:51Z")
> [@Dani\_Murano](#): > > And you think that market is no PVP? > > Nearly everything on the market is player made. And you compete with other players over the prices and the marge. That isn’t his point. Clearly market activities, and speculation for that matter, are PvP activities. He even acknowledges that in his post. What he is doing is deriding those spilling tears and threatening to quit because they made a bad market call on, admittedly nebulous information and lost some ISK. Their sobbing and threats of rage-quitting are equivalent to those of someone who complains that they lost a ship when they were not expecting it and thus will now quit the game. This is a competitive game which means you both win some and lose some, and if you can’t handle losing from time-to-time, you are playing the wrong game. Those that threaten to quit over a ship loss or a bad market call deserve [our derision](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LM0CZZ9Uw8). There probably is a lesson in here somewhere on the value of clear communication for CCP, but seriously people, tears over loss in a competitive PvP game shouldn’t be given the time of day. It’s called market speculation for a reason. If you can’t handle your wallet balance going down for once, you probably should take a step back from your keyboard, take a deep breath to calm down a bit, and then watch the following YouTube video: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/d/9dba09442ddba1799cdc9b397985f465838d8215.jpeg "Permaband - HTFU") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q) After that, then you can revaluate your risk tolerance and rebalance you asset portfolio so only what you are willing to lose is exposed to the market. Experience is a great teacher, so try to internalize what you could have done to prevent exposure to, or minimize the impact such a black swan event in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/151 "2017-12-13T12:12:14Z")
I mostly liked this event, got into some PVP even in High Sec over loot and even won due to the other guys over confidence. There are however a couple things that quite literally “bugged” me about it. For example: I have gotten only half the loot due to all the times bosses didn’t drop anything for me. I finally saw today’s patch notes, which are AFTER the event ended. And I gotta tell you, it wasn’t “some” of the bosses that didnt drop anything, it was most, around 2/3 or 3/4. Other then that, I wish there were some extra escalated waves on the drone nests etc., make the extra ones spawn only sometimes, maybe 20% ish chance, and make them a lot harder to complete but with a bit better rewards. Just make sure that new or lower skill players have a chance to grab the basic loot and warp out 1st if they don’t wanna stick around for the harder stuff. Have some more variable mobs, maybe some sort of a Pirate faction NPC related to the other events once in a while ? Or maybe a Sisters of Eve agent gone rogue ? Something that will deal and require damage different type then the drones did and is maybe tied to something else, another faction, event or whatever. Would have made it more interesting. But the booster farm in itself was kinda fun and OK, just wish there was a bit more to it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/152 "2017-12-13T12:31:29Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > Look somewhere outside high-sec! Your advice does not match your example, people usually run those sites for rewards, not to get killed Two days ago I made sites in null. However since anybody can warp to you, you need a fast ship. A bit of ehp to burn back to gate, a usual rep to tank the rats, maximum dps to get the rats down faster. I tried them in inty with blasters. Then daredevil. Then thorax. The added tank and dps of the thorax was really a good thing. I had two people warp on me, one with a sabre, one with an inty, also stratios decloaking, but seing them on dscan I was aligned and drones recalled when they landed, so I warped off, and with instawarp it’s not difficult to avoid a stratios. Here are my fits with details, with explanations, for null : > **raptor** > > ``` > [Raptor, blaster norep] > Nanofiber Internal Structure II > Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > > 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive > Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I > Small Shield Extender II > Tracking Computer II > > Light Neutron Blaster II > Light Neutron Blaster II > Light Neutron Blaster II > > Small Processor Overclocking Unit I > Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I > > Tracking Speed Script x1 > Void S x7573 > Null S x7041 > Optimal Range Script x1 > > ``` > > I actually started with a long-range inty (rails) but the dps was desastrous and I almost fell asleep. OK I died because I fell asleep. > thus I used a more punchy but also more to the edge int brawler. The tank is paper-thin so if you have bad trajectory … well actually you don’t die because the rats do very few DPS. only thing is, when the swarm spawn, swith to null and blap them asap. Also kill destroyer then frigates, first. cruisers and bigger could not touch me. > > With my skills this is a 161DPS (null) @7.5km, 3.3k ehp (lol), 3s align, 4km/s max speed. > **harpy** > > ``` > [Harpy, blasters shield] > Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > Nanofiber Internal Structure II > > 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive > Small Shield Booster II > Cap Recharger II > Tracking Computer II > > Light Neutron Blaster II > Light Neutron Blaster II > Light Neutron Blaster II > Light Neutron Blaster II > 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I > > Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I > Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II > > Mjolnir Rocket x444 > Void S x30 > Null S x2844 > Optimal Range Script x1 > > ``` > > I think to myself "wait I can do more damage with an **assault** frig . let’s try it. > 211dps with null @ 9km, 5.1k ehp, 43 ehp/s, 3s align, 1m sig more than the inty, 2300 m/s though. > This was much better. > **daredevil** > > ``` > [Daredevil, T2 blasters shield instawarp] > Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > Tracking Enhancer II > Inertial Stabilizers II > > 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive > Small Shield Booster II > Small Cap Battery II > > Light Neutron Blaster II > Light Neutron Blaster II > > Small Ancillary Current Router I > Small Capacitor Control Circuit II > Small Capacitor Control Circuit I > > Void S x3552 > Null S x7933 > > ``` > > At this point I realize there is a pirate ship that makes HUGE damage with blaster. One monster … > 245 dps with null@6500m, 5k ehp, 30ehp/s , 2s align, 3.8 km/s. > Though the range was shorter (to the point I kept null most of the time, switching to void only for BC/BS ), the added dps and security of the insta warp made me less paranoid of people warping on me. > **thorax** > > ``` > [Thorax, M4 blasters web armor] > Damage Control I > Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer > Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer > Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II > Medium Armor Repairer II > > 50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive > X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier > Cap Recharger II > Tracking Computer II > > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > > Medium Ancillary Current Router I > Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II > Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II > > Infiltrator II x5 > > Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x2421 > Optimal Range Script x1 > Tracking Speed Script x1 > > ``` > > With this one I made only 30 jumps out (I made several 50jumps with other builds), because I reached syndicate where people started to warp on me. > > This fit is much easier to fly and complete sites with. > 477 dps with drones out, turerts shooting @6km, 63 ehp/s, 10k ehp, 4s align, 2km/s to burn back to gate. The two nozzle need to be T2 to make it 4s align > > maybe using a cap recharger in the mid instad of tracking computer, and armor reactive hardener in low instead of dc ? Maybe go for AB+cap battery+cap recharger ? > **thorax v2** > > So this fit I did’nt try, because no mwd means more time scouting. better dps, cap maangement, tank. > [Thorax, AB armor web] > Reactive Armor Hardener > Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > Magnetic Field Stabilizer II > Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II > Medium Armor Repairer II > > ``` > 10MN Afterburner II > Stasis Webifier II > Medium Cap Battery II > Cap Recharger II > > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I > > Medium Ancillary Current Router I > Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II > Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II > > Infiltrator II x5 > > Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x2421 > Tracking Speed Script x1 > > ``` As you can notice, my fits are pretty cheap, less than 100M each. I only lost one inty (the rail-fit, to rats) but it was anemic weak. Also when someone was in system I spammed dscan and was ready to leave - better leave system than to make one happy to have even a shitty km. sometimes when I warped away the people left system, realizing I was not afk ratting. I think using BC with sb may also help, with mjd, mwd, and cloak to avoid gates ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/153 "2017-12-13T12:39:05Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > . Their sobbing and threats of rage-quitting are equivalent to those of someone who complains that they lost a ship when they were not expecting it and thus will now quit the game. no they are not. CCP tells quite clearly that when you lose a ship it’s normal. CCP also tell quite clearly that the event would stop by the 12. People here do not complain because they lost money on a bet. They complain because CCP does not hold his words. That is a very different thing. I did not lose ANY money in the process (mainly because I don’t like gambles) and I still realize CCP made a HUGE mistake and this sucks. Just imagine if tomorrow CCP made concord response time be multiplied by (1+your\_ss/10). suddenly you start getting CONCORDOKEN as soon as you shoot at that fancy freighter. And CCP didn’t tell you ? Then you can complain because CCP had the rules changed without you noticing. Which is exactly the case here. > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > After that, then you can revaluate your risk tolerance and rebalance you asset portfolio so only what you are willing to lose is exposed to the market. You can NOT evaluate anything if CCP accepts to change the rules of the market whenever they want. Which is the case here. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/154 "2017-12-13T13:04:27Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > The main issue is that the 12th was announced as the endpoint and that many people put their trust in CCPs announcement. Well… The “event” has two things: - rogue drone sites - bonuses for various activities and rewards on various levels The event itself could as well be related to bonuses only. So the sites itself were not considered as part of event. Just a theory but pretty in line with bad communication only. And yes, whoever speculated on drone lootz and lost their money blame yourself. > [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > By keeping the sites running until January, you punish the people who most actively participated in fighting back the Drones, as from one hour to the next their work became more or less worthless. Not in a smallest if you sold the lootz you got. Now when they are falling in price you get less and less rewards. But first participants got it pretty nice. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/155 "2017-12-13T13:20:39Z")
Let me guess: 1. Possibility to get free ships 2. Rewards themed around free ships 3. Points for completing Rogue Drone sites (\*) 4. Agency and its rewards 5. No mention of rewards from Rogue Drone sites Yes, it looks like these sites are part of event but it was never said specifically that event and sites only work together. Note: item 3 is not so important because Agency gave points for mining too. Bad communication and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/156 "2017-12-13T13:28:14Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > no they are not. > > CCP tells quite clearly that when you lose a ship it’s normal. > > CCP also tell quite clearly that the event would stop by the 12. > > People here do not complain because they lost money on a bet. They complain because CCP does not hold his words. Yes they are complaining about losing ISK and pretty much only that. If they had made ISK on CCP’s communication slip, they wouldn’t be posting here. In fact, plenty of people did make money given the nature of speculation, and they aren’t here complaining. Come now, you are being silly. CCP didn’t change the rules or deliberately lie to mess with speculators. At worst they weren’t entirely clear about the relationships of these events, but the [updates page](http://updates.eveonline.com/card/3dgdZ/the-yoiul-festival-returns/) clearly states accellerators and skins will be available throughout the holidays with the Yoiul Festival. Anyone who stockpiled these things thinking they would go up in value made a very bad call and they are just lashing out with anger that should be direct inward for their failure to read the fine print, or their own greed. In fact though, CCP has inadvertently, and even deliberately put out there false information to mess with speculators (oh when CCP moved the planned freighter rigs to low slots induced some glorious tears from the speculators!). They aren’t required to guarantee anything, any if you play the market, you take your chances. Gamble responsibly. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You can NOT evaluate anything if CCP accepts to change the rules of the market whenever they want. Which is the case here. That’s the game. None of us have perfect information and are jockeying to make the right market plays to earn us profit in a cloud of uncertainty about the future. CCP changes things all the time that affect the market, as do the actions of the other players, so to claim that you can’t play the market without perfect certitude is folly. Speculation = risk, and risk means sometimes you are on the losing side of a trade. HTFU, or don’t play. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/157 "2017-12-13T13:43:24Z")
It’s the same thing as this: > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Just imagine if tomorrow CCP made concord response time be multiplied by (1+your\_ss/10). suddenly you start getting CONCORDOKEN as soon as you shoot at that fancy freighter. > > And CCP didn’t tell you ? > > Then you can complain because CCP had the rules changed without you noticing. Which is exactly the case here. Having some commodity in hangar to sell it later is hardly a speculation. Changing rules like this is. What if the RL were involved in buying those accelerators? There is nothing to justify decision that was made with this events. Communication? What communication? Where is team responsible for communication? oh wait… ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/158 "2017-12-13T13:45:09Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > Where is team responsible for communication? oh wait… BINGO! :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Anstian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_anstian/32/41090_2.png) [@Lady\_Anstian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Anstian)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/159 "2017-12-13T13:45:12Z")
It’s the definition of speculation. They didn’t change the rules they just communicated badly. They’ve said so themselves and apologised. It’s done, let’s move on. ---
**Author:** ![Ando\_Masahashi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ando_masahashi/32/27799_2.png) [@Ando\_Masahashi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ando_Masahashi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/160 "2017-12-13T13:53:15Z")
I lost a billion because ALL THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION said that the event and thus the sites would be ending yesterday and I wanted to have enough accelerators up until the expiry date. Had I known that the sites would be spawning FOR ANOTHER MONTH I could’ve easily farmed that over the holidays. So yeah, I am a more than a little frustrated that I wasted 1 bill because CCP seem incapable of even the most single of communication but I don’t think they were trying to deceit us. I think they are just rubbish at communicating and I would have expected (lol) more than deflecting and brushing off our complaints. Which is what it looks like is happening. I guess CCP decided to put their heels down and just accept the consequences. I am not considering quitting or anything of the sort but I am quite disappointed in the way CCP has decided to first communicate about the event, then the continuation of the event, and lastly how they are handling the reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336/161 "2017-12-13T14:09:59Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Speculation = risk, and risk means sometimes you are on the losing side of a trade. HTFU, or don’t play. Once more : I made NO speculation at all. I had ZERO loss in the process. Stop affirming we complain about money loss. This is a lie. You don’t know me and you are insulting me by assuming I would complain only when I gamble and lose. If you can’t accept this, STFU or learn to listen. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-2017-arms-race-release-general-feedback/43336.md?page=9)