# \[December\] UPDATED: Jump Fuel and Jump Fatigue Cap changes **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Created:** [November 16, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710 "2017-11-16T14:33:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![theRaptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theraptor/32/240185_2.png) [@theRaptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/theRaptor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/249 "2017-11-16T18:07:28Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Heh. Using reddit as a measuring stick for anything. That’s funny right there. For how much you goons pretend to hate reddit you sure do post there a lot. Yeah I miss SA being good as well. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/250 "2017-11-16T18:07:46Z")
> [@theRaptor](#): > > I said these mechanics punish people who aren’t part of a mega-coalition. Not that “local production” (at even small scale because I know you will try and weasel the definition) was impossible for them. How exactly does it “punish” you? All you need to log in and actually play the game instead of only playing the poorly-bolted-on molasses minigame and pretending like it’s the only thing in town. > [@theRaptor](#): > > Also lol “middle-sized”. Is this the game where you pretend The Imperium is a group of mildly friendly alliances and not a mega-coalition while all your enemies who have ever shot you in the past year are part of a fully integrated coalition? This would have more weight if 2016 hadn’t happened, FYI. ---
**Author:** ![Kelli\_Brook](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kelli_brook/32/25227_2.png) [@Kelli\_Brook](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kelli_Brook)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/251 "2017-11-16T18:07:55Z")
So… at what point can we petition to have Fozzie removed from ever touching another decision about the game again? ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/252 "2017-11-16T18:08:16Z")
> [@Querns](#): > > other than middle-sized ones like Goonswarm Federation Sometimes I just adore your sarcasm. Calling the largest coalition by far (next big alliance/coalition is at most a 3rd of your size) “mid-sized” is quite the burner. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Eltax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alex_eltax/32/18530_2.png) [@Alex\_Eltax](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alex_Eltax)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/253 "2017-11-16T18:08:31Z")
I understand what your saying, but your missing the point, Goons (and fair play to them) have scaled up Rorqual use and defence to a fine art form. Yes other groups can defend them but not on the huge scale the Imperium can do (eg Titans and Supers). Looking at the MER backs this up, everyone else is being left behind. Now yes you can argue that thats their own fault, but if CCP had balanced the Rorqual properly in the first place, say for example using the fighter mechanics of carriers instead of the drone ui or made the drones not as expensive perhaps smaller, less organised groups may have a chance of competing. ---
**Author:** ![NEUNAN\_VIMES](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neunan_vimes/32/238810_2.png) [@NEUNAN\_VIMES](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NEUNAN_VIMES)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/254 "2017-11-16T18:09:04Z")
CCP like isk sinks and anything that will drive the sales of Plex. ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/255 "2017-11-16T18:10:55Z")
> [@Querns](#): > > Given your complaints about how local production is impossible for any group other than middle-sized ones like Goonswarm Federation, I doubt it. We are middle sized now? ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/256 "2017-11-16T18:11:23Z")
> [@Frostys\_Virpio](#): > > We are middle sized now? Yeah. We got another 35k or so to go before we’re there. ---
**Author:** ![theRaptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theraptor/32/240185_2.png) [@theRaptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/theRaptor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/257 "2017-11-16T18:12:18Z")
> [@Querns](#): > > How exactly does it “punish” you? I didn’t say it did, I’m in a mega-coaltion. Maybe try reading what people post instead of following the Querns script. > [@Querns](#): > > All you need to log in and actually play the game instead of only playing the poorly-bolted-on molasses minigame and pretending like it’s the only thing in town. We’ve already established I play the game more than you so it is sad you have to keep returning to this derailment tactic. I don’t just PVP mate. > [@Querns](#): > > This would have more weight if 2016 hadn’t happened, FYI. You are friendly now with at least a quarter of the people who evicted you in 2016. Also maybe try not forming a mega-coalition and saying you are going to evict everyone else so they have to tempblue to take you down. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/258 "2017-11-16T18:13:11Z")
> [@Bulky\_Tree](#): > > You know that is net export? You know every time a ship leaves Delve on a roam it counts as an ‘export’, right? “Total value of all items entering/leaving regions in any type of jump, _including the vessels shipping them_.” Soooo, yeah. Kinda hard to map the import/export _directly_ to trade, since every time Jay takes the supers across the ZXB/Y-2 gate and back, both numbers spike by a couple trillion… ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/259 "2017-11-16T18:13:25Z")
> [@NEUNAN\_VIMES](#): > > CCP like isk sinks and anything that will drive the sales of Plex. This change is not an ISK sink at all. ---
**Author:** ![Niden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niden/32/21950_2.png) [@Niden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niden)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/260 "2017-11-16T18:13:27Z")
Increasing fuel by 100% is a horrible idea in my humble opinion. The pressure is not economic at all. It just makes it more of a pain in the ass. Literally just more annoying and won’t make any difference in how capitals are deployed at all. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/261 "2017-11-16T18:14:19Z")
> [@Sakido\_Cain](#): > > the masses are untitled @#$%s you mean ‘entitled’. ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/262 "2017-11-16T18:14:45Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Soooo, yeah. Kinda hard to map the import/export directly to trade, since every time Jay takes the supers across the ZXB/Y-2 gate and back, both numbers spike by a couple trillion… If I ever become an FC, our import numbers will be less inflated. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/263 "2017-11-16T18:16:07Z")
> [@theRaptor](#): > > We’ve already established I play the game more than you ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/5/05a3813de50ede259eae1adf4fb8a3bfc12b4b4a.png) > [@theRaptor](#): > > Also maybe try not forming a mega-coalition and saying you are going to evict everyone else so they have to tempblue to take you down. The term you’re looking for is “bluetral.” I understand that half a decade of narrative naming blues as the devil of Eve has left y’all fundamentally unable to engage in setting of standings without engaging in grand theater to maintain a thin veneer of independence, but let’s not kid ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Betrayer\_of\_Hope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/betrayer_of_hope/32/145972_2.png) [@Betrayer\_of\_Hope](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Betrayer_of_Hope)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/264 "2017-11-16T18:16:52Z")
How about they make capital ships decent so i can return to dropping them on more people and losing them more frequently? Nothing says isk sink like the motivation to support your local loot fairy. ---
**Author:** ![Orontes\_Ovasi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orontes_ovasi/32/439806_2.png) [@Orontes\_Ovasi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orontes_Ovasi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/265 "2017-11-16T18:17:16Z")
> [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > Would you have preferred that we delayed Lifeblood by a few weeks to a month, impacting all the pilots who don’t use Capitals but were waiting for the rest of the feature set? Or would it have been better to delay the reduction in Isotope volume, thus impacting anyone attempting Reactions post patch? Considering it made the game quantifiably worse by literally murdering any reward involved in taking someone else’s moon, yes any sort of delay would’ve been much appreciated. I’m actually curious as to what you thought was going to happen when you made it necessary to mine the actual moon. More conflict? lmao Pretty bad change @ op. Reducing volume even more doesn’t really change the fact that whatever dumblebrained fairy land CCP lives in sees “capital deployments” as needing to be anything but encouraged. ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/266 "2017-11-16T18:18:19Z")
Nothing says ISK faucet more than losing T1 hulls in support of the loot fairy. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/267 "2017-11-16T18:18:40Z")
> [@Orontes\_Ovasi](#): > > Considering it made the game quantifiably worse by literally murdering any reward involved in taking someone else’s moon, yes any sort of delay would’ve been much appreciated. This is a seriously bleak reality in which you live. ---
**Author:** ![Orontes\_Ovasi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orontes_ovasi/32/439806_2.png) [@Orontes\_Ovasi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orontes_Ovasi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/268 "2017-11-16T18:20:12Z")
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