# \[December\] UPDATED: Jump Fuel and Jump Fatigue Cap changes **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Created:** [November 16, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710 "2017-11-16T14:33:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/289 "2017-11-16T18:39:19Z")
> [@theRaptor](#): > > Not when the major blocs are more than a full days jump range of each others supercaps. It’s cute that you believe that’s the case. ---
**Author:** ![Orontes\_Ovasi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orontes_ovasi/32/439806_2.png) [@Orontes\_Ovasi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orontes_Ovasi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/290 "2017-11-16T18:39:55Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > No, he’s a guy who hates showing up on killboards. I generally hate showing up on killboards, too—I fly Logistics. If I’m on a killboard, that means I died or I was carrying the wrong drone for my job. [Wrong](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/377180863047401475/380789205913305100/image.png?width=905&height=129) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_chow\_Tasioka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_chow_tasioka/32/82318_2.png) [@Dr\_chow\_Tasioka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_chow_Tasioka)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/291 "2017-11-16T18:41:01Z")
Give cap pilots a nice change, let them enjoy it for a month or two, then BOOM hit them in the feels. CCP feels like an abusive boyfriend at this point ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/292 "2017-11-16T18:41:31Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Then you should never complain about ‘blue donuts’ or ‘lack of content’ I don’t complain about blue donuts and there is still content. The defender still (obviously) should have the advantage because that’s life HTFU. ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/293 "2017-11-16T18:41:31Z")
The fact that EVE’s PvP is trash does not mean he hates it. Only that the quality of the PvP is trash. ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/294 "2017-11-16T18:42:04Z")
> [@Dr\_chow\_Tasioka](#): > > Give cap pilots a nice change, let them enjoy it for a month or two, then BOOM hit them in the feels. By a month or two, you mean like 3 weeks? ---
**Author:** ![theRaptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theraptor/32/240185_2.png) [@theRaptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/theRaptor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/295 "2017-11-16T18:43:36Z")
> [@Querns](#): > > So, nerf diplomacy? [Okay so that was “deliberately misread comment”, after this reply the script should be back to “durr login more”. Man this is a bad bot, even Eliza could do more than two types of replies.] No, I said everyone loves blues up to a point and the Imperium is no different from anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/296 "2017-11-16T18:45:43Z")
> [@theRaptor](#): > > No, I said everyone loves blues up to a point and the Imperium is no different from anyone else. Then why spend five years claiming that blues were the root of all stagnation and evil in Eve? ---
**Author:** ![Luna\_TheMoonrider](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luna_themoonrider/32/147647_2.png) [@Luna\_TheMoonrider](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luna_TheMoonrider)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/297 "2017-11-16T18:45:51Z")
> [@Luna\_TheMoonrider](#): > > Serious question: > > The maximum jump fatigue reduction is not bad, but feel like a damage control thing more than a real change. > > You say: > > > Stimulate the ice product markets which would otherwise suffer from lower starbase usage > > > Improve the balance of ice product consumption (increased isotope and liquid ozone consumption relative to heavy water consumption) > > Why not improve the need for citadel? > > Why not improve the need for reaction? > > It really feel like the caps need to handle everything… > > Feels bad… Still no answer… ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/298 "2017-11-16T18:46:23Z")
> [@Luna\_TheMoonrider](#): > > Still no answer… Did you miss the Eve Vegas cast or something? ---
**Author:** ![Wibla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wibla/32/462773_2.png) [@Wibla](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wibla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/299 "2017-11-16T18:46:46Z")
> [@theRaptor](#): > > everyone loves blues I love shooting them 💥 ---
**Author:** ![Luna\_TheMoonrider](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luna_themoonrider/32/147647_2.png) [@Luna\_TheMoonrider](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luna_TheMoonrider)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/300 "2017-11-16T18:47:31Z")
it’s nothing as close as what POS consume before… ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/301 "2017-11-16T18:48:14Z")
> [@Luna\_TheMoonrider](#): > > it’s nothing as close as what POS consume before… I guess I can spoonfeed you a bit more. Why stop here? At Vegas, CCP announced that the armor RF layer would require at least one fueled service module to have. ---
**Author:** ![theRaptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theraptor/32/240185_2.png) [@theRaptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/theRaptor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/302 "2017-11-16T18:48:27Z")
> [@Querns](#): > > Then why spend five years claiming that blues were the root of all stagnation and evil in Eve? I didn’t. I haven’t even being playing this game for five years. If you mean “everyone else said that!”, nah they didn’t. As evidenced by the fact “everyone else” is in massive multi-corp alliances. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/303 "2017-11-16T18:49:16Z")
> [@Wibla](#): > > I love shooting them 💥 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/9/f90e7ce491abe1d1829aaf873eea07269853422f.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/304 "2017-11-16T18:49:36Z")
> [@theRaptor](#): > > My comment wasn’t about “local production”, not fueling JFs. I know. You were conflating two things to try to say this change hurts local production and small groups can’t manage ‘local production’ in part because of it. Except that this change doesn’t have to affect small groups at all because they just have to be able to use the local ice to completely mitigate this change. Now, if you want to look at other obstacles to local production, that’s fine, but CCP views those as ‘content drivers’. Nor should any small group _expect_ to be able to do full-scale ‘local production’ any more than a small business RL can control their entire supply chain. They’ll need to trade with others to get what they need. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/305 "2017-11-16T18:50:24Z")
> [@theRaptor](#): > > I didn’t. I haven’t even being playing this game for five years. So, you don’t know enough history to understand the rank hypocrisy of the whole idea. I think I understand now – thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/306 "2017-11-16T18:50:37Z")
> [@Querns](#): > > So, nerf diplomacy? nerf people! ---
**Author:** ![StainGuy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stainguy/32/21896_2.png) [@StainGuy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StainGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/307 "2017-11-16T18:51:22Z")
Oh this is bad. Like very bad. Serious question - why CCP hate players (aka customers) and think they are dumb? ---
**Author:** ![Luna\_TheMoonrider](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luna_themoonrider/32/147647_2.png) [@Luna\_TheMoonrider](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luna_TheMoonrider)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/308 "2017-11-16T18:51:22Z")
I know, but it’s still less that what pos consume before. At least, that what all my corp/alliance pos/citadele manager told me. So, why not really up the fuel consomption? we still have no answer to that question. And I mean, ccp answer, not someone else. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710.md?page=16)