# \[December\] UPDATED: Jump Fuel and Jump Fatigue Cap changes **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Created:** [November 16, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710 "2017-11-16T14:33:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Wibla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wibla/32/462773_2.png) [@Wibla](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wibla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/127 "2017-11-16T16:27:11Z")
> [@John\_Selth](#): > > Where were you like three years ago when everyone told you this? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![blazigen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blazigen/32/491485_2.png) [@blazigen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/blazigen)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/128 "2017-11-16T16:27:18Z")
You have some valid points. To bad no one at ccp will take them serious or read them ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/129 "2017-11-16T16:27:51Z")
but the game overall (particularly LS) has benefited greatly from it. the system does what it was meant to it simply doesn’t “feel” as good as CCP would like ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/130 "2017-11-16T16:28:18Z")
> [@Mega\_Shimaya](#): > > Then just remove it! Nah. Fatigue is a necessary evil of Eve. Do you really want the game to be owned by 2 power blocs again? Instant teleportation of apex forces strangles the game. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kaho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kaho/32/460342_2.png) [@Lord\_Kaho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kaho)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/131 "2017-11-16T16:28:21Z")
Yeaha thats fine. Would love more Small/Med Fights. But my point is as defender you can drop Caps on every head. If you need to move around the Map (blue donut ftw) you`ll think about it… ---
**Author:** ![Torin\_Fellborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/torin_fellborn/32/145785_2.png) [@Torin\_Fellborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Torin_Fellborn)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/132 "2017-11-16T16:28:24Z")
Here’s an idea. Instead of trying to ease everyone into and making our in-game lives difficult and ■■■■ in the process. Just go ahead and make eve free to play across the board, and then make the market completely NPC so the only way players have isk is by loot drops or buying plex. Essentially this seems to be the goal. You’ve increased costs exponentially in a lot of ways to a lot of players over and over again in the last year or so, and have also began the planning to make alphas a more prominent and effective thing. What happened to CCP caring about their players? ALL of them? Oh yeah… that went away when you took our ability to blow up Jita 4-4. If you release this onto players, I can almost guarantee you’ll need an emergency summit. Absolutely horse ■■■■ CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Aiwha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiwha/32/154714_2.png) [@Aiwha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiwha)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/134 "2017-11-16T16:30:41Z")
I would prefer if you didn’t give me the wonderful double fuel bay for several months then suddenly pull the rug out from under me. If you increased isotope consumption while letting us keep this wonderful 2x fuel bay, there would probably be less anger. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/135 "2017-11-16T16:31:44Z")
no there wouldn’t… there would still be just as much just like with any change they make. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/136 "2017-11-16T16:33:20Z")
> [@Aiwha](#): > > I would prefer if you didn’t give me the wonderful double fuel bay for several months then suddenly pull the rug out from under me. If you increased isotope consumption while letting us keep this wonderful 2x fuel bay, there would probably be less anger. I agree that would have been less painful. Point of order though, the change went out three weeks ago, not several months. ---
**Author:** ![theRaptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theraptor/32/240185_2.png) [@theRaptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/theRaptor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/137 "2017-11-16T16:34:25Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > no there wouldn’t… there would still be just as much just like with any change they make. Lol don’t try and peddle that bs. “Players are angry about every change!” is so self-evidently false I don’t know how you can say it unless you are trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/138 "2017-11-16T16:34:51Z")
… but they really are ---
**Author:** ![theRaptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theraptor/32/240185_2.png) [@theRaptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/theRaptor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/139 "2017-11-16T16:35:00Z")
> [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > I agree that would have been less painful. Point of order though, the change went out three weeks ago, not several months. He was just factoring in the time it takes you to actually deploy a full feature. ---
**Author:** ![Wibla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wibla/32/462773_2.png) [@Wibla](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wibla)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/140 "2017-11-16T16:35:32Z")
> [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > Point of order though, the change went out three weeks ago, not several months. Does it really matter? You gave people a taste of something good, then you took it away. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/141 "2017-11-16T16:35:59Z")
@CCP_Lebowski i am still a bit worried on how this will make it harder for smaller groups to justify bringing players that cant fly a blops BB along in blops gangs. particularly with any armor set up ---
**Author:** ![theRaptor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theraptor/32/240185_2.png) [@theRaptor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/theRaptor)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/142 "2017-11-16T16:36:33Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > but they really are No they aren’t. It is pretty easy to just go measure the length of reddit/forum posts about changes and see that some changes generate much more anger. Some changes are almost universally praised such as the upcoming fixes to citadels. ---
**Author:** ![Tiber\_Galient](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiber_galient/32/154838_2.png) [@Tiber\_Galient](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiber_Galient)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/143 "2017-11-16T16:36:46Z")
u made JF the excemption for citadel docking for the sake of logistics. Suggest you at least do the same exception for JFers on fuel consumption for the same reason. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/144 "2017-11-16T16:38:03Z")
> [@Tiber\_Galient](#): > > Suggest you at least do the same exception for JFers on fuel consumption for the same reason. to be honest JFs are a bit OP now that citadels are a thing adding extra cost to using them doesn’t seem that out of line ---
**Author:** ![Tiber\_Galient](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiber_galient/32/154838_2.png) [@Tiber\_Galient](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiber_Galient)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/145 "2017-11-16T16:39:15Z")
well ur not hurting the JF pilot, they will just shift the price change to the user of their services or increase the price on their imports ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/146 "2017-11-16T16:40:07Z")
and in turn fewer people will be willing to pay them… ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Star](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brown_star/32/23727_2.png) [@Brown\_Star](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brown_Star)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710/147 "2017-11-16T16:40:33Z")
In before this actually happens: > **[CCPls, after halving tope volume jumpdrives now need twice as much on SiSi •...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/7dcfhn/ccpls_after_halving_tope_volume_jumpdrives_now/dpwpqv0/)** > > 278 points and 302 comments so far on reddit [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/december-updated-jump-fuel-and-jump-fatigue-cap-changes/39710.md?page=8)