# Deciphering Tiericide **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, feedback\ **Created:** [June 11, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388 "2020-06-11T15:12:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Conjaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/conjaq/32/180249_2.png) [@Conjaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Conjaq)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/82 "2020-06-12T17:24:50Z")
It’s not everyday that my rant gets translated into a dev blog: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/fw2oj8/ccp\_are\_handling\_tiericide\_on\_modules\_in\_a\_very/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/fw2oj8/ccp_are_handling_tiericide_on_modules_in_a_very/) But here we are! 😬 CCP you have rocked on the listening to feedback front in ways i can’t even express. I’m pretty motivated to write more if i see an issue. ON that note i _do_ have two comments: 1. **Gotan armor repper:** In the dev blog it’s clearly stated that Gotan’s Armor repper should be Metalevel 15. Yet in the game currently it’s only lvl 11. I believe that’s someone who forgot the module. 2. **Deadspace vs Officer modules** It irks me that deadspace modules has a meta lvl of 16, while A lot of officer modules are below that(11 out of 14 officer modules for armor reppers as an example) The power level of modules should be reflected in their rarity, yet that’s not the case right now. X/A/B/C-Deadspace modules are VERY farmable and easy to obtain. That is not the case of the officer modules, that require dedicated grinding or luck. If the current balance is kept, it means that you have 11 officer modules out of 14 that are essentially worthless because their strength is below that of Deadspace modules… I think that is a real shame. I reallydon’t think it makes much sense to have officer modules below farmeable deadspace modules. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/83 "2020-06-12T18:31:51Z")
I totally agree with that. - storyline should be meta 6,7 (6 for ultra compact with lower stats than T2, and 7 for compact with T2 stats) - faction should be meta 8(for the compact/enduring version),9(for the stronger version), - deadspace should be meta 10,11,12,13 for C, B, A, X type; - officer should be 14,15,16 instead of 11,13,15,17 presented [in the article](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qbroym/deciphering-tiericide). And the meta level should be an indication of the stats, not a random number. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/84 "2020-06-12T19:05:04Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > I’m wondering, why are meta modules strictly better than T1 modules? Why can’t there be some sort of tradeoff? Because that’s what meta modules _are_. T1 are ‘meta 0’ modules. The various flavors of ‘this is better than standard mass-produced McDonald’s modules, but not as good as T2’ are meta 1. T2 are meta 5, etc. It _would_ be kind of nice to see the ‘Basic’ or ‘Civilian’ things moved to Meta 0, with T1 at Meta 1, and the improved variations set to Meta 2, though. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/85 "2020-06-12T19:58:12Z")
> [@CCP\_Nomad](#): > > The new _Multispectrum Shield Hardener_ name addresses those three points. Some players expressed their concerns over the fact that the word Multispectrum is already being used by ECM group, but it is worth pointing out that ECM’s are _Multispectral_ , not _Multispectrum_ Yes, but some people aren’t going to notice the difference because they sound so similar. Maybe call them ‘Polyspectral’ instead? > [@CCP\_Nomad](#): > > Yes, we do change the the “Basic” by making them into storyline modules with primary attribute similar to T1, but with very low fitting requirements. We apply similar treatment to “Micro” modules. For example, in [March 2020 release](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q6z2qy/patch-notes-for-march-2020-release) we have converted all Micro Capacitor Boosters into a new ‘Seed’ Micro Capacitor Booster storyline module. Right, I forgot about that. Why make them storyline modules, though? Are they just not going to drop from anything? > [@CCP\_Nomad](#): > > The Civilian version of all modules is also something we are looking at, but changes in this area would have to involve much deeper work as that affects both the New Player Experience and the free Corvettes. Well, Civilian modules are essentially useless, AFAIK. Changing them to ‘Basic’ modules would just make them niche. As for the Corvette issue…maybe make ‘Basic’ modules available to buy from/sell to NPC vendors for small amounts of ISK? > [@CCP\_Nomad](#): > > We try to leave a reference the old flavor names, but it might be a shortened form. For example, the _I-a Polarized Armor Regenerator_ was renamed to _I-a Enduring Armor Repairer_ and _‘Accommodation’ Vestment Reconstructer_ was renamed to _ACM Compact Armor Repairer_ . The _Inefficient Armor Repair Unit_ and _Automated Carapace Restoration_ are no longer referenced anywhere in the game. > This is indeed interesting idea for preserving the old full names. Thanks for the suggestion. Yeah, I saw that. I just dislike removing flavor unless there’s literally no other option, and my suggestion was intended to keep the flavor around with the new naming theme you have going. And you’re welcome to use the idea! ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/86 "2020-06-12T20:05:44Z")
> [@Ploing](#): > > but for gods sake the invul is an iconic name. porsche would not rename the 911 because its not a police car. If they go with my suggestion, they could make ‘Adaptive Invulnerability Field’ a model of Multispectrum Hardener manufactured by one of the Caldari megacorps, with the name hailed as some expert marketing! 😁 > [@Arrendis](#): > > Because that’s what meta modules _are_ . T1 are ‘meta 0’ modules. The various flavors of ‘this is better than standard mass-produced McDonald’s modules, but not as good as T2’ are meta 1. T2 are meta 5, etc. It _would_ be kind of nice to see the ‘Basic’ or ‘Civilian’ things moved to Meta 0, with T1 at Meta 1, and the improved variations set to Meta 2, though. I was talking about meta modules having a bonus **and** a drawback when compared to vanilla T1 modules. The [Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier](http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=4027), for instance, sounds like it ought to require less power and/or CPU to fit in exchange for using more capacitor energy every time it cycles. Here’s an example of what I’m thinking: | Bonus Name | Malus Name | Effect | | --- | --- | --- | | Ample | Limited | Ammunition capacity | | Compact | Expanded | Power grid/CPU requirements | | Enduring | Fleeting | Capacitor drain | | Restrained | Unchecked | Drawbacks/side-effects | | Scoped | Short | Range | | Precise | Loose | Accuracy | The names may need some work, but I think they give you an idea of what I’m trying to do here. I don’t think Meta T1 modules should be strictly better than non-meta T1 modules like they are now; it should be entirely reasonable for a newer or less-skilled character to use a combination of T1 and Meta modules when fitting a ship instead of Meta-only. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/87 "2020-06-12T20:16:15Z")
Right, but the point of the meta modules isn’t that there’s a trade-off, but that they’re _better_ in some way. Vanilla T1 modules can be cranked out by the millions. They’re cheap. They’re not limited in supply. They’re supposed to be, well, garbage, really. Should it be that way? Doesn’t matter. Ultimately, it’s irrelevant. CCP’s decided how they want stuff, and it doesn’t look to be changing any time soon. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/88 "2020-06-12T21:11:25Z")
> [@CCP\_Nomad](#): > > _‘Accommodation’ Vestment Reconstructer_ was renamed to _ACM Compact Armor Repairer_ Why not `‘Accommodation’ Compact Armor Repairer` though? ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/89 "2020-06-12T21:12:14Z")
> [@Tonto\_Auri](#): > > Why not `‘Accommodation’ Compact Armor Repairer` though? Because the name itself isn’t compact 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/90 "2020-06-12T23:39:54Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > Thanks for all the examples, but couldn’t help but feel like Gowron trying to follow Quark’s explanation of complex financial transactions. lol! I’m on a full binge of Deep Space 9 right now (started on May the 4th as a bit of a SW/ST joke–I do love 'em both, though–about to finish season 5 tonight!) and I know EXACTLY the scene you mean. 😉 That was one good Quark ep. ---
**Author:** ![Dior\_Ambraelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dior_ambraelle/32/393685_2.png) [@Dior\_Ambraelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dior_Ambraelle)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/91 "2020-06-12T23:42:59Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > Maybe call them ‘Polyspectral’ instead? I think Omnispectral sounds better. Or Omnispectrum for the shields. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/92 "2020-06-12T23:44:47Z")
> [@CCP\_Nomad](#): > > The new _Multispectrum Shield Hardener_ name addresses those three points. Some players expressed their concerns over the fact that the word Multispectrum is already being used by ECM group, but it is worth pointing out that ECM’s are _Multispectral_ , not _Multispectrum_ That difference is literally only the last two letters of a very long word. An even smaller difference proportionally than say… thermic vs. thermal, which I believe was addressed in a previous round of module tiericide to removal the confusion over searching for therm and/or anti-therm items in the market years ago. I understand why CCP wanted to get rid of both the adaptive and the invulnerable parts of our good ol’ invulns, but… multispectrum vs. multispectral should be just as much, if not even more, confusing than thermic vs. thermal was. ---
**Author:** ![Neugeniko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neugeniko/32/382909_2.png) [@Neugeniko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neugeniko)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/93 "2020-06-13T13:43:08Z")
Thanks for the devblog mention CCP and thanks to all the posters in my tiericide threads over several years. Its good to see the forward planning for tiericides last few steps in a devblog. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/94 "2020-06-13T16:35:22Z")
Unlike this Carerra Interceptor. ![Screenshot_20200613_173419](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/0/f0b8ba811f5e441db9faa622fc0df18c157305e8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/95 "2020-06-13T16:52:13Z")
By the way, this is an official German police car for highway pursuits (Autobahnjagt) and no this one doesn’t have the electronic maximum speed limit on by default. But there is a consensus that above a certain speed, the chasing of a car over the speed limit is too dangerous for the population and other drivers on the highway to continue, even though this car does not have any problems going up to 290km/h (this is very fast but I don’t know by heart how many miles per hour that is - I come from Europe. We don’t use imperial units). ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/96 "2020-06-13T20:17:23Z")
yeah and a few in the emirates. but i think u got the point. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/97 "2020-06-13T22:18:51Z")
I did, glad you took it in the spirit it was intended 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Megtehetem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/megtehetem/32/483388_2.png) [@Megtehetem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Megtehetem)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/98 "2020-06-14T19:32:10Z")
TLDR. For those who dont want to get super confused about all this useless information. Theres nothing to decypher or know here. Eve got too many modules of the same type. They are reducing each type to 4 variant. With ur usual faction and whatnot extras. This devpost just confuses the ■■■■ out of people. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/99 "2020-06-14T20:58:33Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > By the way, this is an official German police car for highway pursuits (Autobahnjagt) and no this one doesn’t have the electronic maximum speed limit on by default. > > But there is a consensus that above a certain speed, the chasing of a car over the speed limit is too dangerous for the population and other drivers on the highway to continue, even though this car does not have any problems going up to 290km/h (this is very fast but I don’t know by heart how many miles per hour that is - I come from Europe. We don’t use imperial units). 50 mph is about 80 kph… so… 290 kph is about 180 mph. ---
**Author:** ![Hug\_Motsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hug_motsu/32/264439_2.png) [@Hug\_Motsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hug_Motsu)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/100 "2020-06-18T03:48:12Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Every time you change module names, people have to go through and update all of the fits they have posted to forums, pinned to discords, etc etc, because the game doesn’t remember the old names when you try to re-import an old fit _1_ . OR @CCP_Dopamine @CCP_Psych @CCP_Rise Make the game remember the old names and link the old names to the new names in the db. This also helps to with evepraisal and zkillboard, aswell as old saved fits and whatnot. ps. also great work guys! this all make it more clear and easy to fit right modules for what i want to do! _(no i rather not set up 30000 target profiles etc etc in pyfa to know what my applied damage will be)_ ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388/101 "2020-06-18T06:34:47Z")
> [@Sylvia\_Kildare](#): > > lol! I’m on a full binge of Deep Space 9 right now (started on May the 4th as a bit of a SW/ST joke–I do love 'em both, though–about to finish season 5 tonight!) and I know EXACTLY the scene you mean. 😉 That was one good Quark ep. If you like DS9, then you should also try _Babylon 5_; it’s **really** good. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/deciphering-tiericide/248388.md?page=6)