# Defensive tactics for Industrials? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390 "2019-11-24T04:31:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/21 "2019-11-24T19:35:54Z")
pssst who plays eve online to actually fly with other people? they dont even want to do that in pvp lol ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/22 "2019-11-24T19:44:24Z")
> [@Agondray](#): > > they dont even want to do that in pvp lol Leeeeeroy. J-uh-ennnnnnnkiiiins ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/23 "2019-11-24T19:54:35Z")
As soon as someone sees a mobile depot in LS it will get scanned down and bookmarked. ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/24 "2019-11-24T20:04:02Z")
Most PI haulers I shoot go for the cheap option. If they get caught, they drop their PI mats back into the POCO and take their losses. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/25 "2019-11-24T20:06:33Z")
> [@Trevor\_Dalech](#): > > If they get caught, they drop their PI mats back into the POCO and take their losses While I prefer to dump the Pi as noted. I found a cheaper fit that is stronger both stabs and tank. So I’d like to save my ship. If only for the win lol. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/26 "2019-11-24T20:34:25Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > So a problem I think most industrials seem to have is there are fits for Gate to Gate/station. And fits for station to station/pocos. > > But theres no crossover. Well the crossover is making a compromise between the defensive options. - MWD + Cloak - Fast align - Warp stabs - Tank As in everything in EVE, there is no ‘best’ fit, but you can try to fit as many of these on your industrial in a way that _you_ think is optimal. Sure, you can use a mobile depot and fit it all, but then you introduce another weakness in your travel method, which is the point where you refit in space, so I personally would skip that. Also I’m too lazy to refit for the amount of ISK I carry around. Maybe if I had more risk I’d try to do that. Anyway, a ‘station to station’ fit needs nothing of the above as long as there’s no bubble in between the stations. Gate to station fit could use MWD/cloak if your ship is a slow aligner, or intertial + warp stabs if it can align fast, but either of these two methods gets caught by camping interdictors. Which brings me to another point. Where do you want to use these ‘defensive tactics’? Null sec? Then worry about bubbles. High sec? Ignore everything and just put a lot of tank on it and don’t carry too much. Low sec? I guess MWD/cloak would be great there without bubbles. Anyway, I think my industrial I used for PI when I was still bothering to keep my planets up to date was fit for fast align, fast warp speed, few warp stabs, a cloak and rest with tank. It was used in reasonably ‘safe’ null sec space where my best bet is to finish hauling quick or cloak up when hostiles show up. > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > OP … I don’t know about the fits you’re talking about, but when a mobile depot isn’t an option … maybe a cap booster is. With a cap booster I used to overfit ships with offline modules and just on/offlined whatever I needed/didn’t need, using the cap booster to get above 95% cap to make sure I can online everything in an instant. > > That’s how I achieved an actually useable combat probing, tracking disrupting, pointing, high speed interceptor with a cloak on top … before there were CPU rigs. 🙂 > > Maybe that would be possible for you too? Love it! I rarely fly with offline modules, but I’ll keep the cap booster + offline modules in mind next time I try to create a fit that needs to do more than fits. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/27 "2019-11-24T20:39:47Z")
How do you swap offline modules in flight tho? You cant right? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/28 "2019-11-24T20:41:41Z")
Not swapping them. But you can turn offline modules on in flight, as long as you have 95% cap. And that’s where the cap booster idea from @Solecist_Project comes in handy, because it allows you to turn on multiple modules at once, instead of waiting for your cap to come back up. So if you have a spare high slot but not the CPU/powergrid for it, you can for example put a cloak in it and turn it online any time you need it (and turn some other mod off). ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/29 "2019-11-24T21:05:50Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > So if you have a spare high slot but not the CPU/powergrid for it, you can for example put a cloak in it and turn it online any time you need it (and turn some other mod off). Interesting, with an epi not sure this will matter because its PG and slots are such garbage. This could be good great for a tanked out nereus? ---
**Author:** ![Gleb\_Koskov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gleb_koskov/32/374138_2.png) [@Gleb\_Koskov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gleb_Koskov)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/30 "2019-11-25T03:48:29Z")
I wished the Mammoth and the Bestower had a HP and fitting buff, right now I am even afraid to undock with just 20m in cargo from how frail it is. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/31 "2019-11-25T04:54:17Z")
> [@Gleb\_Koskov](#): > > 20m in cargo from how frail it is. Then why use it? ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/32 "2019-11-25T04:59:21Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > all systems should be workable…regardless of hostility. Where does it say that? Is that a rule? Oh you’d WANT it that way, that is something entirely different. That’s like saying a PVE fit should be able to beat a PVP fit ship. There is no “best” fit, there is only a best fit for a specific situation. Scout it, be friends with the locals, accept the risk or don’t and don’t be there. Those are your options. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/33 "2019-11-25T05:03:36Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > Where does it say that? Is that a rule? Oh you’d WANT it that way Either you’re new to this thread or completely misunderstood. It should be workable because you have good fits, good tactics, and fly right. Not out of some entitlement of access. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/34 "2019-11-25T05:11:58Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Not out of some entitlement of access. I think it is. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/defensive-tactics-for-industrials/202390/35 "2020-02-23T05:12:09Z")
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