# Delve, Goons and the MERs **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 26, 2017, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496 "2017-12-26T05:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/149 "2018-01-02T10:35:30Z")
Id kill myself if I was married to you. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/150 "2018-01-02T10:51:30Z")
Guess Ill have to get some chocolates too… ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/151 "2018-01-02T12:59:28Z")
Well… Personally i don’t _blame_ them Goons. They simply win in sandbox. The only problem here is that nobody wins sandbox. Sandbox simply dies if somebody wins (nobody wants to play for losing side). So i’m curious what will CCP do when Goons will rush towards final win? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/152 "2018-01-02T14:00:57Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > The only problem here is that nobody wins sandbox. Sandbox simply dies if somebody wins (nobody wants to play for losing side). Very true, what I did when on the losing side (dominion sov system sucked balls), was just play at a low level and wait, but it is possible that Tranquility will go the same way as the Chinese server so that the high end play is not possible… > [@March\_rabbit](#): > > So i’m curious what will CCP do when Goons will rush towards final win? Well that will be interesting to see, I would expect that they will revitalise hisec and develop better gameplay for solo and small group players who operate around the single super power that controls the rest of the game, if they do not do that then the game dies. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/153 "2018-01-02T15:10:19Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > So i’m curious what will CCP do when Goons will rush towards final win? It will be an agonizingly slow, repetitive but inexorable process to advance through NS placing Keepstars as they move the front-line forward. It will only take a handful of significant battles to deplete/crush resisting forces/motivation to where they are no longer relevant, log off or welcome their new overlords. After that, its just sweeping the board clean. The best opposition can do, is try to channel its Asset Safety to where they still have something left to fight on with against impossible odds. I dont think CCP will do anything, except struggle to keep servers up through that handful of “all-in” battles. I think this time, its for quits. This will be the war to end wars. Unless someone pulls off another AWOX even more subversive than BoBs, Goons will rule the universe until they get bored of it. There wont be enough significant force nor motivation left on the part of whatever enemies remain. After that, its just whether Goons will split internally at some point, which I find unlikely, and at best to be like Red vs Blue are. ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/154 "2018-01-02T16:13:28Z")
This sounds really,really boring. What is the worth of winning,when its domination through passive attrition? Imo that doesn’t describe emergent gameplay,if anything it sounds risk adverse. ---
**Author:** ![Jae\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jae_geten/32/46733_2.png) [@Jae\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jae_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/155 "2018-01-02T16:22:56Z")
Just like any successful Corporation. Wear your opponent down endlessly, with lawsuits and red tape that drag out the battle for so many decades that the families that initially started things die off. Hire lobbying firms to get the Government to rule in your favor. Intimidate up and comers. Start your own PR company to feed stories to the press painting you as the Corp that stands up for the little guy. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Peruvian-Longhair\_Alpaca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_peruvian-longhair_alpaca/32/46068_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Peruvian-Longhair\_Alpaca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Peruvian-Longhair_Alpaca)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/156 "2018-01-02T18:45:37Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > was just play at a low level and wait Oh! Like when you fled highsec with your tail between your legs because you could do nothing to oppose the New order? Yeah, \*\*\*\* it, just wait it out, accept your own impotence, embrace it! ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/157 "2018-01-02T20:24:51Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I think Dinsdale is useful. For a laugh or two, that is about it. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale\_Pirannha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dinsdale_pirannha/32/254927_2.png) [@Dinsdale\_Pirannha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dinsdale_Pirannha)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/158 "2018-01-02T21:29:15Z")
Not surprising that you guys have spent more time discussing me than the actual points in the thread. Typical deflection move by the goon shills on these forums. Not that they really need to do it. The thread has lost its value. Goons won’t have to use their usual method of shutting down a thread potentially dangerous to their business, which is derail the thread with nonsense, which is a signal to their ISD buddies to shut it down. ---
**Author:** ![Alexi\_Stokov](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Alexi\_Stokov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexi_Stokov)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/159 "2018-01-02T23:38:13Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > How does one lobby in this mysterious way? > > And if the Goons hadnt done it, wouldnt someone else have? (“Won” the game, that is) If things in game were the same back in the day, id say Band of Brothers probably could of. Hell, they had a dev hand them premo tech II BPOs. They were goons before there were goons. Plus BoB Ceo turned out to be powerhouse Mercenary coalition CEO as well (which probably surprised no one ). ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/160 "2018-01-03T08:24:43Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Peruvian-Longhair\_Alpaca](#): > > Oh! Like when you fled highsec with your tail between your legs because you could do nothing to oppose the New order? Having suffered not a single loss to CODE and with so many CODE kills, saves etc., so if you call that fleeing with my tail between my legs then I wonder what victory looks like? > [@Galaxy\_Peruvian-Longhair\_Alpaca](#): > > Yeah, \*\*\*\* it, just wait it out, accept your own impotence, embrace it! In terms of the Goons when they go for it, hell yeah, it will be like a fly on the windshield of a 55 tonner. I see you are using another toon, got the previous one banned I hope for being such a pathetic poster… > [@Dinsdale\_Pirannha](#): > > Typical deflection move by the goon shills on these forums Yeah as per normal, though at least Salvos and I are having a proper discussion, perhaps you might want to weigh in on that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/161 "2018-01-03T10:45:32Z")
And if BoB hadnt gone down, DP would no doubt be rambling on about how they have CCP in their pocket and doing whatever it is he has a problem with. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/162 "2018-01-03T10:47:35Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And if BoB hadnt gone down, DP would no doubt be rambling on about how they have CCP in their pocket and doing whatever it is he has a problem with. BoB did go down, and the cause was Goons. I dont get what your point is. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/163 "2018-01-03T10:48:41Z")
Im not sure what part of it is giving you a problem understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/164 "2018-01-03T10:50:23Z")
So in an alternate universe, where Goons never existed, and BoB still reigned, DP would be investigating BoB influence on CCP? So? I still don’t see your point. Are you so naive you don’t think leading powers in EVE take every opportunity to sway CCP towards their agenda? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/165 "2018-01-03T10:51:11Z")
Im still not sure what part of it is giving you a problem understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/166 "2018-01-03T10:51:43Z")
How about you just state what your point is, instead of repeatedly claiming you don’t understand my questions. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/167 "2018-01-03T10:52:57Z")
You seem to have a problem understanding. I cannot help you. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2018, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/delve-goons-and-the-mers/47496/168 "2018-01-03T10:56:08Z")
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