# Denying lvl 4 (& lvl 5) missions to alpha's (March patch notes) is a very bad idea **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 8, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767 "2019-03-08T20:23:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lord\_Rolfski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_rolfski/32/196163_2.png) [@Lord\_Rolfski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Rolfski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/1 "2019-03-08T20:23:40Z")
Lvl 4 missioning is one of the backbones of PVE in this game and should be considered core content. The whole idea of alphas is giving them a good range of what Eve has to offer and lvl 4 missioning should definitely be part of that. Especially since alphas have been given access to battleships. Lvl 3 missions simply aren’t challenging and rewarding enough. Denying them Lvl 4 missions will only annoy the heck out of alphas, it will do nothing to bring them to Omega. Despite CCP advertising this game as F2P Eve has already one of the worst F2P models on the market, with way too much end content locked behind subscription walls for a “free-to-play game”. If anything, in a game that relays so heavily on player numbers to generate content, alpha players should be given fewer restrictions, not more. Please, don’t tell me this horrible, greedy, short-sighted idea has been pushed by CCP’s new Korean Overlords. _Edit: If you think this change will really help against botters I suggest you think again. If anything, it will lead to even more lvl 3 bots as hackers will only deploy more of them to keep up their ISK/hr._ ---
**Author:** ![Lumukanda\_Theleraese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lumukanda_theleraese/32/432858_2.png) [@Lumukanda\_Theleraese](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lumukanda_Theleraese)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/2 "2019-03-08T20:27:21Z")
It still is free to play in the aspect that you can play as an Alpha, and I would think that if someone isn’t going to subscribe to Omega because they can’t do certain lvl missions then they probably wouldn’t go Omega anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Rolfski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_rolfski/32/196163_2.png) [@Lord\_Rolfski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Rolfski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/3 "2019-03-08T20:32:36Z")
There is more to alphas than just making them paid subscribers. As I said, alphas are content, which is equally important for the future of this game. Denying them key PVE content will do nothing but make them quit, which is simply bad for this game, no matter how you look at it. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/4 "2019-03-08T21:00:46Z")
Botters cry in 3,2,1… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/5 "2019-03-08T21:04:49Z")
Why is it key content. You’ve shown nothing to demonstrate this ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Rolfski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_rolfski/32/196163_2.png) [@Lord\_Rolfski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Rolfski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/6 "2019-03-08T21:39:33Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Why is it key content. You’ve shown nothing to demonstrate this Players are key content for multiple reasons. More players means more players that can be ganked, a more thriving Eve economy, bigger fleets, more wars over resources, more active player corps and alliances, etc. And in this particular case, many alphas enjoy level 4 missioning to finance their other (PVP) activities in Eve. I’m one of them btw. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/7 "2019-03-08T21:41:16Z")
> [@Lord\_Rolfski](#): > > Lvl 3 missions simply aren’t challenging and rewarding enough. Denying them Lvl 4 missions will only annoy the heck out of alphas, it will do nothing to bring them to Omega. If somebody spent enough time running missions to get to level 4s, the liklihood that they’re suddenly going to quit playing entirely because level 4 missions are behind the paywall is next to zero. They’re going to sub at that point. By that point they’re already hooked on the game. This is a common sense thing designed to make botting slightly harder. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Rolfski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_rolfski/32/196163_2.png) [@Lord\_Rolfski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Rolfski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/8 "2019-03-08T21:41:36Z")
Don’t be naive. If anything, this change will result in even more lvl 3 mission bots. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/9 "2019-03-08T21:41:39Z")
> [@Lord\_Rolfski](#): > > Lvl 3 missions simply aren’t challenging and rewarding enough. 1. missions aren’t challenging in general, especially when everyone is being told to use a battleship, is being told how to fit it and can look up how the missions work on the internet, which is also being told by people. Missions are minmaxxed to death, therefore it’s not an argument you can use. 2. reward is not top priority for someone trying out the game. if reward was important, he’d be doing lvl4s for the income and not for trying the game, so - again - you don’t really have an argument there. worse, if lvl4s are all he cares about, ignoring the rest of the game (you know, the other 99.999999%), then there’s something wrong 3. people who run lvl4s all day are less likely to go omega simply because they don’t have to. You have nothing. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Rolfski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_rolfski/32/196163_2.png) [@Lord\_Rolfski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Rolfski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/10 "2019-03-08T21:58:24Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > missions aren’t challenging in general, especially when every noob is told to use a battleship, is being given a fitting and can look up how they work on the internet. missions are minmaxxed to death, therefore that’s not an argument you can use. That basically goes for any PVE activity. In the end their’s always some min-max formula. That doesn’t mean players can’t enjoy them though. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > reward is not top priority for someone trying out the game. if reward was important, he’d be doing lvl4s for the income and not for trying the game, so - again - you don’t really have an argument there. worse, if lvl4s are all he cares about, ignoring the rest of the game (you know, the other 99.999999%), then there’s something wrong > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > people who run lvl4s all day are less likely to go omega simply because they don’t have to. You’re missing the whole point of alpha accounts, they’re not designed to be merely trial/demo accounts for subscription purpose only. Otherwise, CCP would have sticked to the trial system. Alpha accounts are key for a healthy future of Eve, as subscription-only models are simply not cutting it anymore in the gaming industry. Alpha accounts are not merely there to sell Omega subscriptions to, they provide key player numbers and content to keep this game alive. Also, CCP can sell other stuff to them besides subscriptions, as many players don’t want to commit to subscriptions but are very willing to support the game with cosmetics and various services. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/11 "2019-03-08T22:04:03Z")
> [@Lord\_Rolfski](#): > > blablabla What you think is real and matters, and what those who actually matter think is real and matters … are absolutely not the same. Can you stop whining, please? It’s not going to change, especially when those who whine about it have absolutely **nothing**. Just like you. Just look at your post. It’s embarrassing. You’re telling me what Alphas are there for as if anything you said matters. It doesn’t. No one cares about what you think what they are meant for. It is extremely likely that you are just writing this, because it’s the only argument you can come up with … and even at that you fail. I also seriously doubt you care about new players more than about yourself. You could as well be an RMTer who has an alpha army running lvl4s, selling the made ISK for profits, whining about how CCP cuts his income stream. You. Have. Nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/12 "2019-03-08T22:09:44Z")
That’s nice. your reply still says nothing about why lvl 4s are key content. Of course players are key, but players are not lvl 4 missions. ---
**Author:** ![Pumbler\_unknown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pumbler_unknown/32/393292_2.png) [@Pumbler\_unknown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pumbler_unknown)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/13 "2019-03-08T22:26:53Z")
> **[Security Update - Q1 2019 | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pn66sg/security-update-q1-2019)** > > Check out this devblog for the latest information on the fight against botting and RMT, as well as some upcoming changes to alpha account entitlements when mission running. [the team were considering placing level 4 and 5 courier missions behind the requirement to have Omega clone status.](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pljaph/new-year-security-update) I read it as its just **Courier** missions or am I reading that wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/14 "2019-03-08T22:30:46Z")
You are reading correctly, though they changed it from courier to all lvl4s. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/15 "2019-03-08T22:30:55Z")
> [@Pumbler\_unknown](#): > > I read it as its just **Courier** missions or am I reading that wrong? No thats what it says, but for reasons not stated (I suspect it was because allowing access to _these_ agents but not _those_ agents was technically difficult) the actual implementation is **all** agents (lvl4 and lvl5). ---
**Author:** ![Pumbler\_unknown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pumbler_unknown/32/393292_2.png) [@Pumbler\_unknown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pumbler_unknown)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/16 "2019-03-08T22:32:26Z")
I didn’t see the part about it being all lvl 4 missions thank you for the info ill have to look for the info on that ---
**Author:** ![Lumukanda\_Theleraese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lumukanda_theleraese/32/432858_2.png) [@Lumukanda\_Theleraese](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lumukanda_Theleraese)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/17 "2019-03-08T22:33:29Z")
“After investigating further, the decision has been made to place all level 4 and 5 missions behind the requirement to have Omega status, to assist the fight against RMT and botting.” in the Security Update - Q1 2019 | EVE Online ---
**Author:** ![Pumbler\_unknown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pumbler_unknown/32/393292_2.png) [@Pumbler\_unknown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pumbler_unknown)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/18 "2019-03-08T22:41:59Z")
Thank you for that reading through all the comments now ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/19 "2019-03-08T23:02:06Z")
It’s the complete right thing to do… It’s anti botting and taking away those ridiciouless alpha benefits they have…already way too much for non payers… All alphas can thank the botting players for this. So stop complaining and face the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Rolfski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_rolfski/32/196163_2.png) [@Lord\_Rolfski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Rolfski)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/20 "2019-03-08T23:04:15Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > What you think is real and matters, and what those who actually matter think is real and matters … are absolutely not the same. Can you stop whining, please? It’s not going to change, especially when those who whine about it have absolutely **nothing**. > > Just like you. Just look at your post. It’s embarrassing. You’re telling me what Alphas are there for as if anything you said matters. It doesn’t. No one cares about what you think what they are meant for. It is extremely likely that you are just writing this, because it’s the only argument you can come up with … and even at that you fail. > > I also seriously doubt you care about new players more than about yourself. You could as well be an RMTer who has an alpha army running lvl4s, selling the made ISK for profits, whining about how CCP cuts his income stream. > > You. > Have. > Nothing. I suggest you either come with arguments or stop commenting at all. Raging like a kid is not helping the discussion. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767.md?page=2)