# Denying lvl 4 (& lvl 5) missions to alpha's (March patch notes) is a very bad idea **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 8, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767 "2019-03-08T20:23:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Leiron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leiron/32/177488_2.png) [@Leiron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leiron)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/266 "2019-03-10T22:54:03Z")
An eve subscription is not expensive. Anyone who is an alpha should actually feel damn lucky to even be in New Eden - for free. I’ve paid my dues for 14 years now. Alphas are broken and shouldn’t exist IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/267 "2019-03-11T01:18:32Z")
That’s the way I did it. For years. Before SoE ships. I have been camped by the best and most angry of Russians in NPC null. All I wanted was a wormhole home. But no they gotta undock a fleet of BLOPS in 2 seconds. Sorry to interrupt your bots, comrades… But when the trash talk starts, that’s when I start to haunt them with combat probes while looking for the WH out. Three years into and out of nullsec. NEVER used a gate. ---
**Author:** ![Aomame\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aomame_sato/32/123189_2.png) [@Aomame\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aomame_Sato)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/268 "2019-03-11T01:24:39Z")
Well, fine. You’re better than me. It’s ok. I am what I am, and when I came in, real money bought me some stuff. I went crazy with it, realized my error, and retooled. Kudos where due. This is not a pecker measuring contest, Herzog. I’m not better than you. I just want to live in the same ‘universe’ as you, and not be at war. Fiction. Barely. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/269 "2019-03-11T01:39:06Z")
I’m not reading any interest in “dick measuring” in his post. You two are bothering me now. I had a short time when I enjoyed jspace in a svipul, but it beat any other space out there. 😕 omfg that video makes me laugh! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aomame\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aomame_sato/32/123189_2.png) [@Aomame\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aomame_Sato)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/270 "2019-03-11T01:45:50Z")
Oh well. We were asked about avatar, about our goals, our morals? If you need a hybrid of what I look like and believe. That would be it. Wentworth Miller says nothing I disagree with. Including that one. Too much of one thing? My favorite actress. Saying stuff I believe. I’m trying really hard to avoid being censored and banned, for my own words. I disagree with nothing either of them have said. How about that? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/271 "2019-03-11T01:55:45Z")
I understand that linking to videos saves you a lot of time you would be wasting with writing things down, but on the other side am I someone who is not clicking 99% of the videos simply because they’re a huge waste of time and listening to what some people have to say is nothing I do at all. I also don’t read any blogs, at all, for the same reason. I’m writing this, because I think it’s fair to let you know. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Rolfski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_rolfski/32/196163_2.png) [@Lord\_Rolfski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Rolfski)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/272 "2019-03-11T01:57:00Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You have plenty. > > - OP uses ludicrous arguments. > - OP uses “think of the children”. > - The ones benefitting from lvl4 access the most are RMTers. It is not unlikely that he has an army of alphas botting lvl4s. > - OP appears to be desperate. > - Someone has to be actually affected by this change to keep on keeping on like the OP does. > > The combination is what shifts likelihood upwards. Of course there’s no certainty, though, but “innocent until proven guilty” gets us nowhere when there is no way of actually proving guilt and this is not a court room. IMO the biggest shift in probability comes from his obvious desperation. > > The fact that gaining ISK for RMT is better done in nullsec is only a loose argument one can bring up, because there can be reasons why he can not do it there. Like: It would cost him significant time, effort and isk moving his operation to null when he is fully set up in highsec, or maybe he fears that afk cloakers would hurt his RMT income too much. > > PS: Yes, I shouldn’t use “likelihood” and “probability” like this, but the message gets through anyway and it’s not much of a problem. Most likely don’t know the difference. You’re obviously a troll and I’m kinda surprised you get away on this forum with it but please, give at least some proper arguments besides “OP is a dick”. ---
**Author:** ![Aomame\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aomame_sato/32/123189_2.png) [@Aomame\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aomame_Sato)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/273 "2019-03-11T01:57:59Z")
That’s fine, Solstice. It does save me a ton of time, and it lets me use people who can say what I want to say, but they say it, better. It’s where I’m coming from, but no, you don’t have to care. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/274 "2019-03-11T01:58:30Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > If you mean by “massive lag fests that are good for news articles” yes, i agree. > Other wise, totally wrong. Many games like eve. Star citizen is now developed enough to do things, he has a good point. CCP must stop new content spam for fixes to current issues, and they MUST negate from their “Realistic world” mentality, because lets face it, its a total failure and an absurd position. Star Citizen is not developed enough to do things. There’s no content in that game to speak of. Elite Dangerous is hemorrhaging players because it’s boring. There are no other games that allow you to do what EVE does. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/275 "2019-03-11T02:01:31Z")
> [@Aomame\_Sato](#): > > you don’t have to care. Oh, I do. I really do. I simply can’t listen properly while doing literally anything else at the same time, therefore I don’t do it at all. It’s either or for me. I hate using a telephone for, well, talking, for the same damn reason, too. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/276 "2019-03-11T02:03:06Z")
> [@Lord\_Rolfski](#): > > You’re obviously a troll and I’m kinda surprised you get away on this forum with it but please, give at least some proper arguments besides “OP is a dick”. We’re all trolls, of course, because we don’t agree with someone who is likely RMTing and crying about his loss of income. It’s your easy way out of not needing to respond to someone. As usual: You have nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Humongous\_Trithead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/humongous_trithead/32/308253_2.png) [@Humongous\_Trithead](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Humongous_Trithead)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/277 "2019-03-11T02:07:39Z")
Had a nasty turn earlier, received an email saying they could not take funds from my account after a brief panic attack I realised I had not updated my new bank details. So with a feeling of great relief I updated my info and got my Omega status back. The thought of being a filthy Alpha with minimal SP and no access to my 120 mill sp toon, brings shudders people. Truly I say to thee, Shudders. As for Star Citizen thats a joke right? ---
**Author:** ![Humongous\_Trithead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/humongous_trithead/32/308253_2.png) [@Humongous\_Trithead](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Humongous_Trithead)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/279 "2019-03-11T02:24:13Z")
I did not ask you to shudder to be honest Ive no idea what your chirping on about? Maybe you could clarify? ---
**Author:** ![Aomame\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aomame_sato/32/123189_2.png) [@Aomame\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aomame_Sato)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/280 "2019-03-11T02:26:40Z")
Nah, you are not my enemy. You said some words that I used to hit other people. If you don’t get what I’m chirping about, I’m probably not chirping at you. ---
**Author:** ![Humongous\_Trithead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/humongous_trithead/32/308253_2.png) [@Humongous\_Trithead](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Humongous_Trithead)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/281 "2019-03-11T02:28:45Z")
If your feeling low fella broadcast for reps, cptsd is a nasty demon. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/282 "2019-03-11T02:37:37Z")
Wat? You are playing the way I used to play. Where’s the measuring? Where’s the war? Calm down, uh… sometimes AFK cloaking nullsec explorer. You know my three year streak ended on a Serpentis escalation in highsec of all places that was so rare it blew my mind. It was the end of an exploration ship so old it was a BC that still had a large rig. ---
**Author:** ![Aomame\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aomame_sato/32/123189_2.png) [@Aomame\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aomame_Sato)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/283 "2019-03-11T02:41:31Z")
Fine. I see real life is not gonna do it. More fiction? AMC won’t do it for you. For F’s sakes, but ok. Fiction? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/284 "2019-03-11T03:15:04Z")
You’d be well advised if you kept the military crap out of the game. No one wants this, and absolutely most people outside of the US really aren’t thankful for what the US are doing to the rest of the world, so you’ll just cause a lot of anger eventually. Better to just skip it. I’m not saying you should not share who you are or what you did, but bringing it up like this isn’t a good idea. Plus, honestly, that post felt like it was outta nowhere and made me wonder if you’re okay. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 3:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/285 "2019-03-11T03:17:31Z")
Are you OK? ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/286 "2019-03-11T03:19:29Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You’d be well advised if you kept the military crap out of the game. No one wants this, and absolutely most people outside of the US really aren’t thankful for what the US are doing to the rest of the world, so you’ll just cause a lot of anger eventually. Easy, Sol. That’s what got me the perma ban. You can say pretty much anything in here. But pointing out the reality of U.S. foreign policy seems to be the exception.. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767.md?page=15)