# Denying lvl 4 (& lvl 5) missions to alpha's (March patch notes) is a very bad idea **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 8, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767 "2019-03-08T20:23:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/121 "2019-03-09T10:25:46Z")
> [@Aomame\_Sato](#): > > It’s not hard to notice. A T3? Omega. T2 weapons? Omega. Etc, etc. The paywall is pretty large. Unless you were wiped by a horde of Tristans with T1 hobs, odds are, paying customer. > > I hear about all these bots. I even see some, fleets of them, oh, wait, that’s a multiboxer, all paid in his skiffs and orca as he sucks up an ice field like a hoover… > > Hmm… There are bots, and some are alphas. It’s the new version of ‘because of falcon?’ The paywall is by far not large enough. Sooner or later ccp will see the light and will return to trial accounts. This alpha ftp crap was the biggest fault they ever made in the history of eve… A return to trial accounts would solve the botting problem with one single blow. ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/122 "2019-03-09T10:30:05Z")
You will see a server shutdown before you see removal of f2p ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/123 "2019-03-09T10:31:36Z")
> [@Aves\_Asio](#): > > Remove battleships instead This. Giving Alphas access to anything better than plain T1 Cruisers was a bad call. The grab of the highsec markets by the nullsec superpowers is heavily fueled on Alpha-alts. ---
**Author:** ![Aomame\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aomame_sato/32/123189_2.png) [@Aomame\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aomame_Sato)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/124 "2019-03-09T10:47:28Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > A return to trial accounts would solve the botting problem with one single blow. So, there were no bots before f2p? Multiboxing, more or less, involves enough code that you could, reasonably, if not legally, make a claim to botting for all but the one ship. When you can issue the same command, virtually, simultaneously, to six or so clients, you’re basically ‘botting.’ We saw this in Warcraft. I tried out the software, made me 4 resto druids, and basically was unstoppable. I could run any bg, the smaller ones, like arathi basin, controlling 2 groups of 2 healers, and the larger ones, massive healing 4 at a time, on the move with the group. I could literally ‘win’ every game. Big deal. It was obvious, and everyone knew it. Sure, some little punks tried to stop me, but 4 healers, in a group, in a game where, unlike here, you can’t get on a chat channel, and get them into the bg as reinforcements? Nah. Come off it. If you attack botters, you have to attack multi-boxers, too, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/125 "2019-03-09T10:49:13Z")
Input broadcasting like you describe is already banned. ---
**Author:** ![Aomame\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aomame_sato/32/123189_2.png) [@Aomame\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aomame_Sato)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/126 "2019-03-09T10:50:11Z")
Then how are they doing it, fleets of miners all with same name, but for the one orca, hoovering up minefields? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/127 "2019-03-09T10:52:35Z")
Open two windows. Press alt tab. That’s the simple version. Now add multiple monitors, resizable windows. And then you can get special software to show only parts of a window. Mining is fairly low apm per account. Eve in general is which is why it’s easy to multibox. ---
**Author:** ![Aomame\_Sato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aomame_sato/32/123189_2.png) [@Aomame\_Sato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aomame_Sato)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/128 "2019-03-09T10:53:40Z")
Hmm. Well, fine, if they’re actually clicking in each window with their little human hand, I can’t complain. I withdraw my argument. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/129 "2019-03-09T10:55:24Z")
Some if those groups probably are cheating one way or another. It’s a valid complaint but takes careful watching. If 10 of them all activate lasers at the same instant every time, it’s probably some form of cheating and worth reporting. If there is a couple of seconds stagger, it’s probably a good multiboxer. If there is loads it’s probably a slow multiboxer. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/130 "2019-03-09T11:18:46Z")
> [@Lord\_Rolfski](#): > > Please, don’t tell me this horrible, greedy, short-sighted idea has been pushed by CCP’s new Korean Overlords. You’re bordering on racism there, mate. We’re living in a global economy and we don’t have any need to point out where somebody lives, or is from or isn’t from. Anyhow, I still remember my first L3s and I had a good amount of fun with those. I didn’t even want to go into L4s, because everyone was only arguing based on ISKs, but not necessarily on fun factor. L3s were for me the peak of the fun and L4s is where the grind started. The fun with L4s came back only after I went into a Marauder, with a bit of faction gear and many of my skills at level 5. While I’d be happy with giving Alphas access to everything does the reality not always allow it. That’s just how it is… Pigs don’t fly, chickens don’t moo, and alpha accounts get abused by botters. I’d say your entire argument anchors on the fact that you (specifically) don’t get to do L4s with your Alpha account any more and so that’s why you hate the change. Try to see the bigger picture instead. CCP tried to let you do L4s and botters f’ed it up for you. Blame them, don’t blame CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/131 "2019-03-09T11:35:11Z")
> [@Lord\_Rolfski](#): > > CCP actually cares a lot about players’ ideas and the discussions and arguments that come with them , even form non-constructive commenters like you. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/4/3/64315bfd630c23986021bb1f2e81d648c000ca30.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/removed.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/1/018d7e942a862c3ae112942c554275a5e74f2614.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/132 "2019-03-09T11:37:15Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Blame them, don’t blame CCP. ccp left the door open and put one dude on the security detail ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/133 "2019-03-09T11:56:42Z")
> [@Aomame\_Sato](#): > > So, there were no bots before f2p? Multiboxing, more or less, involves enough code that you could, reasonably, if not legally, make a claim to botting for all but the one ship. When you can issue the same command, virtually, simultaneously, to six or so clients, you’re basically ‘botting.’ > > We saw this in Warcraft. I tried out the software, made me 4 resto druids, and basically was unstoppable. I could run any bg, the smaller ones, like arathi basin, controlling 2 groups of 2 healers, and the larger ones, massive healing 4 at a time, on the move with the group. > > I could literally ‘win’ every game. Big deal. It was obvious, and everyone knew it. Sure, some little punks tried to stop me, but 4 healers, in a group, in a game where, unlike here, you can’t get on a chat channel, and get them into the bg as reinforcements? > > Nah. Come off it. If you attack botters, you have to attack multi-boxers, too, don’t you? Beeing forced to bot as an omega makes it way more costly to bot because you have to pay and cannot simply make your 35th alpha char of the day if you get caught…simple as it is… ---
**Author:** ![Mac-Gregor4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mac-gregor4/32/105228_2.png) [@Mac-Gregor4](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mac-Gregor4)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/134 "2019-03-09T12:02:33Z")
Strange. More crying about second worst thing to do after mining in hisec than plex price. Maybe some people finally find real job and stop grind pixels 8h a day? ---
**Author:** ![Ronnie\_Rose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronnie_rose/32/446230_2.png) [@Ronnie\_Rose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronnie_Rose)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/135 "2019-03-09T12:03:06Z")
I don’t think that’s true. A botter starts as an Alpha, earns enough ISK to RMT a real income. The L4-5 are cut off from Alpha, so botter adapts by PLEXing their account as Omegas to continue playing L4-5, and with the ill gotten ISK gains by buying PLEX from in-game market. Sure, now the botter has to split their earnings between PLEXing and RMT, but they are still playing for free, making money, ruining the game, while the honest Alpha willing to give EVE a go is flamed as a freeloader. Who’s the freeloader here? ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/136 "2019-03-09T12:03:47Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You’re bordering on racism there, mate. We’re living in a global economy and we don’t have any need to point out where somebody lives, or is from or isn’t from. Not everything you don’t get is racism fact is racism as it is seen today does not exist because we live in times in which everything you criticize about another country can be accused as racism which is total BS. It has to be allowed to call crap crap and not beeing hit by the racism hammer. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/137 "2019-03-09T12:07:31Z")
> [@Ronnie\_Rose](#): > > while the honest Alpha willing to give EVE a go is flamed as a freeloader. Who’s the freeloader here? Honest Alpha can do Abyss dungeons, exploration/escalations and (as long as battleships are allowed) maybe even highsec incursion fleets for ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/138 "2019-03-09T12:07:37Z")
> [@Ronnie\_Rose](#): > > I don’t think that’s true. A botter starts as an Alpha, earns enough ISK to RMT a real income. The L4-5 are cut off from Alpha, so botter adapts by PLEXing their account as Omegas with the ill gotten ISK gains by buying PLEX from in-game market. Sure, now the botter has to split their earnings between PLEXing and RMT, but they are still playing for free, making money, ruining the game, while the honest Alpha willing to give EVE a go is flamed as a freeloader. Who’s the freeloader here? The solution is simple here…first of all cut off alphas frome every income that can be abused and second cut their wallet by 25 million,the rest goes into an account with acess only as omega… SWTOR does this and it works…if you sub you have acess to the full sum on your wallet,as non payer your wallet is limited to 350k… ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/139 "2019-03-09T12:13:10Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > SWTOR does this and it works…if you sub you have acess to the full sum on your wallet,as non payer your wallet is limited to 350k… Bad idea. I would just buy and hoard faction mods ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767/140 "2019-03-09T12:16:45Z")
> [@Aves\_Asio](#): > > Bad idea. I would just buy and hoard faction mods First of all you wouldn’tt have enough money on your wallet for that and to avoid this hoarding you wouldn’t even be able to buy them(part of the restriction for beeing an alpha) And secondly would you please enlighten me and tell me which federal law states that a non payer has the birthright to experience the game as a whole because he is a non payer? The opposite is the fact…a non payer should not even get the dirt under the fingernails of eve before he subs… As i said…the alpha restrictions are way too low and should be intensified. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/denying-lvl-4-lvl-5-missions-to-alphas-march-patch-notes-is-a-very-bad-idea/144767.md?page=8)