# Dev Blog: A closer look at the CSM 13 voting numbers **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Created:** [June 15, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221 "2018-06-15T18:41:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/21 "2018-06-15T23:12:09Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Son, you just get what you deserve when you don’t vote. Your vote was your voice, now you’re just shedding some voter 💧 . Yeah, I am shedding some voter for the fact I was not allowed to vote against CSM like I wanted. Since even a saint can’t do good in a crook club, the best candidate is the one that does nothing. Could you point me to such a candidate please? ED: Actually, we need 6 or more of such candidate since they would need a majority, so when (or if) you find one, start looking for 5 more. ---
**Author:** ![Lorelei\_Ierendi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lorelei_ierendi/32/190833_2.png) [@Lorelei\_Ierendi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lorelei_Ierendi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/22 "2018-06-15T23:15:31Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > @Tikktokk_Tokkzikk should be on CSM instead! @CCP_Guard iirc the first runner up is not automatically appointed to replace someone on the csm that has to vacate their seat. For csm x I was the first runner up… but when the people quit or got removed, the elections were recalculated… and the votes via the STV were reassigned. so I never got in. Under that system, the only way to know who would get in, is to recalculate it. And that probably depends on who ends up leaving. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/23 "2018-06-15T23:15:42Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Could you point me to such a candidate please? Sure, look in the mirror. You could be sitting in the CSM and do nothing. But no, we didn’t get you as a candidate, did we? ---
**Author:** ![Lorelei\_Ierendi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lorelei_ierendi/32/190833_2.png) [@Lorelei\_Ierendi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lorelei_Ierendi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/24 "2018-06-15T23:16:05Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Yeah, I am shedding some voter for the fact I was not allowed to vote against CSM like I wanted. “None of the above” should be a valid option. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/25 "2018-06-15T23:17:27Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Sure, look in the mirror. You could be sitting in there and do nothing. But no, we didn’t get you as a candidate, did we? You’re really starting to get it! Now remember how it ended for people who went with “do nothing” platform before. Hint: they never made it to ballot because CCP Con was there to protect his beers supply. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/26 "2018-06-15T23:19:45Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > > [@Whitehound](#): > > > > Sure, look in the mirror. You could be sitting in there and do nothing. But no, we didn’t get you as a candidate, did we? > > You’re really starting to get it! Now remember how it ended for people who went with “do nothing” platform before. Hint: they never made it to ballot because CCP Con was there to protect his beers supply. I don’t care how you explain yourself. You could have done something if you think you’re a better candidate. Yet you didn’t, which only shows how badly you fail at using the system to your advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/27 "2018-06-15T23:24:46Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I don’t care how you explain yourself. You could have done something if you think you’re a better candidate. Yet you didn’t, which only shows how badly you fail at using the system to your advantage. Like what? Drawing a fake candidacy promise to make it to ballot, do nothing, get removed within a month or two, and we’re back to elite RMT speculation leaks club? What is the best possible outcome of playing by the crooks rules you can see here? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/28 "2018-06-15T23:26:33Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Like what? Drawing a fake candidacy promise to make it to ballot, do nothing, get removed within a month or two, and we’re back to elite RMT speculation leaks club? What is the best possible outcome of playing by the crooks rules you can see here? Why not? That’s how the Goons got it. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/29 "2018-06-15T23:27:00Z")
> [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > Always vote. And beg others with your opinion, to vote. Or the large blocks win by default. Wow. Querns has always seemed like a cool poster on the forums and reddit and all, but… that quote you just made… he sounds like the next Republican National Committee chair in waiting. Dishearten the “enemy” and rake in the votes from your smaller portion of the population that’s more engaged in voting… good thing there’s no gerrymandering in EVE CSM elections, I guess? Well… if there’s a way, they’ll find it. Talk about EVE being real. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/30 "2018-06-15T23:29:40Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Why not? That’s how the Goons got it. Oh I see, you’re from the propagoonda division. Nobody else would be crapped over enough to capitalize gewnies. I sincerely do not care who got on it. It could have been gewns, it could have been some hisec L4 carebears, what’s the bloody difference, if CSM is going to do RMT regardless of who’s sitting there? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/31 "2018-06-15T23:31:57Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > I sincerely do not care who got on it. Yes, and now you complain about it, because you don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/32 "2018-06-15T23:33:32Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Yes, and now you complain about it, because you don’t care. I complain about it, not about who’s on it. But since you’re propagoonda, I now know you understand what I’m talking about, but just derail it on purpose by pretending to be an idiot. Shoo. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/33 "2018-06-15T23:34:12Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > I complain about it, not about who’s on it. But since you’re propagoonda, I now know you understand what I’m talking about, but just derail it on purpose by pretending to be an idiot. > > Shoo. So you have proof of what you claim to be true? ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/34 "2018-06-15T23:41:20Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/f/1f4ab68d182014730ac725ecd80e7bf8fccdfb63.jpg) Congrats to all who won. Now get to work, scrubs! 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/35 "2018-06-15T23:41:48Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > So you have proof of what you claim to be true? Proof of what exactly? That CCP Con removes every candidate he doesn’t personally like, explaining himself with “company policies” he never shows to anyone? Fact. That CSM is a RMT speculation leaks club? There’s plenty of speculation evidence prior to every market-affecting dev blog release in the last 2 years, who else could have known? That you are propagoonda? You capitalized gewns and got burned. That you understand what I’m talking about but derail on purpose into line that I just don’t like that gewnies beers to CCP Con paid off? Even a donkey could’ve understood my point by now, surely you do. Like I said, shoo, propagoonda. You’re not here to discuss, just to derail, so buzz off. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/36 "2018-06-15T23:43:26Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > > [@Whitehound](#): > > > > So you have proof of what you claim to be true? > > Proof of what exactly? > That CCP Con removes every candidate he doesn’t personally like, explaining himself with “company policies” he never shows to anyone? Fact. > That CSM is a RMT speculation leaks club? There’s plenty of speculation evidence prior to every market-affecting dev blog release in the last 2 years, who else could have known? > That you are propagoonda? You capitalized gewns and got burned. > That you understand what I’m talking about but derail on purpose into line that I just don’t like that gewnies beers to CCP Con paid off? Even a donkey could’ve understood my point by now, surely you do. > > Like I said, shoo, propagoonda. You’re not here to discuss, just to derail, so buzz off. So you have none. That’s a great start for you into a political career, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/37 "2018-06-15T23:44:35Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > So you have none. That’s a great start for you into a political career, don’t you think? - Show me the proof! - (sounds of proof being shown) - (didn’t read lol) Your proof is invalid. I know this is internet and your carefully selected arguments can be ignored, but you just lost it. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/38 "2018-06-15T23:45:30Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > (sounds of proof being shown) You’ve only provided your own words, but not proof. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/39 "2018-06-15T23:46:57Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You’ve only provided your own words, but not proof. “(didn’t read lol) Your proof is invalid.” Your stupidity is none of my concern. You have been shown proof, if you can’t get it, go be a tantrum toddler somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/40 "2018-06-15T23:49:46Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > You have been shown proof No, you have given me only your words and it seems we are getting down to your problem. Who provided you with the information? Where can I get to learn what you believe is true? If your proof cannot be verified, then it just isn’t worth anything. Do you know how proof works? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221.md?page=3)