# Dev Blog: A closer look at the CSM 13 voting numbers **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Created:** [June 15, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221 "2018-06-15T18:41:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/41 "2018-06-15T23:51:26Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No, you have given me only your words and it seems we are getting down to your problem. Who provided you with the information? Where can I get to learn what you believe is true? > > If your proof cannot be verified, then it just isn’t worth anything. Do you know how proof works? It’s your who doesn’t know how proof works. You’ve been given points. Now if you think they are wrong, invalidate them. If you can’t invalidate them, you can either accept them, or throw a tantrum. You’re going into direction of the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/42 "2018-06-15T23:52:41Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Now if you think they are wrong No. I’m asking you to give me proof - to give everyone proof. Can you do it or not? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/43 "2018-06-15T23:53:47Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No. I’m asking you to give me proof - to give everyone proof. > > Can you do it or not? It’s not me who disagrees - you do. Now you either bring arguments into disagreement or kindly buzz into the general direction of the dumpster you crawled out of. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/44 "2018-06-15T23:56:58Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > > [@Whitehound](#): > > > > No. I’m asking you to give me proof - to give everyone proof. > > > > Can you do it or not? > > It’s not me who disagrees - you do. Now you either bring arguments into disagreement or kindly buzz into the general direction of the dumpster you crawled out of. So you cannot give proof. That’s all I needed to know. Now I lose and because I wanted to learn about your truth, but I cannot learn it, because you have no proof that would have helped me and others to believe you. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/45 "2018-06-15T23:59:58Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > So you cannot give proof. That’s all I needed to know. Now I lose and because I wanted to learn about your truth, but I cannot learn it, because you have no proof that would have helped me and others to believe you. All we learned is that you don’t have a single argument except crying that proof presented to you is not proof enough (and typical for this “argument” users, no proof would ever be enough, as they will move the goalposts of proof criteria to the other end of known universe). ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/46 "2018-06-16T00:01:21Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > All we learned is that you don’t have a single argument Again, your words are not proof. Your words may be true, but without proof will nobody ever be able to verify them. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/47 "2018-06-16T00:02:44Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Again, your words are not proof. Your words may be true, but without proof will nobody ever be able to verify them. Again, your criteria is unsatisfiable by definition of demagogy. You disagree - bring arguments. Won’t bring arguments? Buzz off. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/48 "2018-06-16T00:06:31Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Again, your criteria is unsatisfiable by definition of demagogy. You disagree - bring arguments. Won’t bring arguments? Buzz off. I’m not arguing with you. I’m asking you for proof, but you have none. So what is there to argue about? ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/49 "2018-06-16T00:09:26Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I’m not arguing with you. I’m asking you for proof, but you have none. So what is there to argue about? Telling me I had to do something better than boycott when every better option has already been tried and failed is not arguing? Really? This goalpost travel is going to be a long one it seems… ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/50 "2018-06-16T00:11:10Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Telling me I had to do something better than boycott when every better option has already been tried and failed is not arguing? Really? No, it’s not. Telling is not arguing. And I am asking you to bring proof. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/51 "2018-06-16T00:12:24Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No, it’s not. Telling is not arguing. And I am asking you to bring proof. Arguing is not arguing when you’re the one who’s doing it, because you said so, despite it being objectively arguing, as defined in disagreeing with boycott idea? Another mile for the goalpost… ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/52 "2018-06-16T00:14:02Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > Arguing is not arguing when you’re the one who’s doing it, because you said so, despite it being objectively arguing, as defined in disagreeing with boycott idea? Another mile for the goalpost… Get it out of your head, I’m not arguing with you. 🤣 Get me the proof. ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/53 "2018-06-16T00:16:07Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Get it out of your head, I’m not arguing with you. 🤣 \*argues\* I’m not arguing with you! Mimicking my ex will get you nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![StonerPhReaK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stonerphreak/32/391015_2.png) [@StonerPhReaK](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/StonerPhReaK)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/54 "2018-06-16T00:17:34Z")
Get a room you 2. Congratz to everyone who made it. No matter what way you did. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/55 "2018-06-16T00:19:35Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > _argues_ I’m not arguing with you! I’m not arguing, I’m telling you. When somebody tells you to shut up, do you think that’s an argument?! Come on, you’re brighter than that. Now you have the unique opportunity to convince someone of your truth and all you need to do is to bring proof so they can see with their own eyes that what you say is true. I don’t want to be told by you what your truth is, I want to see evidence which enables me to convince myself. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/56 "2018-06-16T00:39:09Z")
> [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > And election after election I’m deprived from the vote against CSM, ever since CCP Con (aka FalCon) removed Gevlon and others who promised to push for cessation of CSM activities. > [@Orca\_Platypus](#): > > That CCP Con removes every candidate he doesn’t personally like, explaining himself with “company policies” he never shows to anyone? Fact. Gevlon was not removed due to personal dislike, as you assert in the second quote. Your first quote got it right: CSM’s who do not participate enough are removed, candidates who say in advance they will do nothing, don’t even make it to the ballot. ---
**Author:** ![Lockbox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lockbox/32/70649_2.png) [@Lockbox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lockbox)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/57 "2018-06-16T02:13:03Z")
Voting is a great idea. Now look at your results , Obviously you messed up somewhere. So why do this year after year? I say kill the voting, it’s rigged just by numbers alone , it’s like telling one country to vote for the other country’s president. Did we ever hear out of the others…I think ccp may have mentioned in something they showed the "CSM"s this and that and what did we get ? Oh they were here and we showed the new stuff and they gave their opinion. you can get a homeless man to log on and give better opinions. THANKFULLY ,I am only paid up to the end of year. Goodbye Eve ---
**Author:** ![Lockbox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lockbox/32/70649_2.png) [@Lockbox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lockbox)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/58 "2018-06-16T03:10:39Z")
I counted 6 but who cares right. the CSM should be a player-elected representative body for the players to CCP. In light of this, why does CCP even hold these things, the GSM doesn’t have to be voted on , really this is just Fake news ,spend that money you use to bring people over to kiss you butts, and actually go back to building a game instead of running it into the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/59 "2018-06-16T04:52:43Z")
> [@Lorelei\_Ierendi](#): > > “None of the above” should be a valid option. According to some [survey](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-survey/80989), it could win. ---
**Author:** ![Propaghandii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/propaghandii/32/79529_2.png) [@Propaghandii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Propaghandii)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221/60 "2018-06-16T05:29:12Z")
So no comment from CCP on other candidates with racist history? Are they just stopping with creecher or do they intend to investigate all of their candidates as thoroughly? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-a-closer-look-at-the-csm-13-voting-numbers/83221.md?page=4)