# Dev blog: Black Desert Online makers Pearl Abyss to acquire CCP! **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [September 6, 2018, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942 "2018-09-06T07:56:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/860 "2018-09-06T16:38:06Z")
well actually none of us do ---
**Author:** ![Lynne\_Rankin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lynne_rankin/32/509871_2.png) [@Lynne\_Rankin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lynne_Rankin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/861 "2018-09-06T16:38:15Z")
Completely agree, moreso EVE I would say with plex and skill injectors. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/862 "2018-09-06T16:38:50Z")
On the contrary, the only thing keeping eve going is its hardcore playerbase. The game’s failing came from no longer nurturing hardcore players and trying to find some kind of crappy mid ground between carebears and the core players. I imagine the new owners will give you more of what you want though. If you do, watch how EVE will either sink immediately and be abandoned, or have to be reimagined as WOW-clone in space. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/863 "2018-09-06T16:38:50Z")
Your killboard show that you don’t pay enough ---
**Author:** ![Lynne\_Rankin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lynne_rankin/32/509871_2.png) [@Lynne\_Rankin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lynne_Rankin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/864 "2018-09-06T16:39:22Z")
idgaf ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/865 "2018-09-06T16:39:31Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > The problem here is the math. Maybe that problem is my math is wrong. Maybe the problem is my math is right. Either way, it doesn’t pass the sniff test. I hope I’m just wrong here. > > At the end of the day, if we assume that the average sub earns them $25 a month on average (mixture of plex sub, monthly sub, and NES purchases), and that they’ve got a **10 year** recovery plan (which I feel is FAR longer than they would actually want to commit to), they need 141,000 subscribing accounts for those 10 years. > > That’s just to break even after 10 years. Either people spend a LOT more on NES stuff than I expect, or PA is going to P2W the ■■■■ out of this game. Your math misses some other calculations, but when taking those into account the gist of results as you state them is not wrong. Keep in mind, PA does not plan to keep (in both ways) CCP forever. We’re not dealing with EU business mindset, and there’s subtle but significant differences to US practices. Also keep in mind that it isn’t like such timelines, it’s tranches, tiers, steps, cycles. Particularly that last bit, PA is a short cycle investment manager. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/866 "2018-09-06T16:40:00Z")
Before, one could argue Eve was P2W. Now there will be no doubt. Might as well be **_King_** acquiring New Eden… “You saved the bears!” 😌😌😌 “Now buy 10 Gold to continue or wait 14 Hours!” 🤗🤗🤗 RIP ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/867 "2018-09-06T16:40:01Z")
victim bs ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/868 "2018-09-06T16:40:39Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > or have to be reimagined as WOW-clone in space kinda sad but this would probably be more successful in the end ---
**Author:** ![Eccon\_Dustwaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eccon_dustwaver/32/71387_2.png) [@Eccon\_Dustwaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eccon_Dustwaver)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/869 "2018-09-06T16:41:07Z")
EVE became P2W the second they started selling skill points sorry to tell you not much will change. ---
**Author:** ![ImYourMom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imyourmom/32/373824_2.png) [@ImYourMom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ImYourMom)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/870 "2018-09-06T16:41:31Z")
Do you not see the problem with that at all. The hard-core players are the vets who been playing for 10 plus years and I would say that 80% of the playerbase.what happens when they all stop playing? And you haven’t thought about keeping new players. Oh yes eve ends up having hardly any one playing. It’s that narrow mindness that’s kill the future of the game. As vets we should be thinking about it’s longevity when we are gone not our selfish views. ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/871 "2018-09-06T16:41:35Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > kinda sad but this would probably be more successful in the end Follower concepts … to name one thing. ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/872 "2018-09-06T16:43:56Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > That much is obvious. _How_ they intend to do this is a much bigger question. Play BDO for month and you’ll learn how. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ImYourMom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imyourmom/32/373824_2.png) [@ImYourMom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ImYourMom)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/873 "2018-09-06T16:44:12Z")
You said that like wow isn’t the most successful mmo ever lol with millions of players. ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/874 "2018-09-06T16:44:15Z")
> [@ImYourMom](#): > > Do you not see the problem with that at all. The hard-core players are the vets who been playing for 10 plus years and I would say that 80% of the playerbase.what happens when they all stop playing? And you haven’t thought about keeping new players. Oh yes eve ends up having hardly any one playing. It’s that narrow mindness that’s kill the future of the game. As vets we should be thinking about it’s longevity when we are gone not our selfish views. Why would any of that be relevant? Most of those drink koolaid. They already normalise the shift to F2P. They already consume the opiate economics (yes, that’s actually a concept). Also, a big portion of those vets are older, don’t have the time, are ripe for further shortcuts. Particularly as through F2P CCP has removed the old age/ability gap that crippled traditional retention/acquisition. They won’t stop playing. They will keep buying. And even if half of them were to leave, PA’s history is established. It’s the bottom line, even if it means half the customers, as long as the rest are whales it’s all good. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/875 "2018-09-06T16:44:53Z")
did i i didnt notice it sorry ---
**Author:** ![Aetrid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetrid/32/77858_2.png) [@Aetrid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetrid)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/876 "2018-09-06T16:45:53Z")
“nothing will change, they said so” lol suuure Wasn’t it hilmar himself who said something like: “Don’t pay attention to what they say, pay attention to what they do.” ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/877 "2018-09-06T16:48:31Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/7/c78a4b28f91bf9f6161392b03f3f2c39a62811a8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Galactic\_Failure](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galactic_failure/32/95011_2.png) [@Galactic\_Failure](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galactic_Failure)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/878 "2018-09-06T16:49:07Z")
PA’s 1st expansion “Space casino”, bring back poker. with ISK ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942/879 "2018-09-06T16:50:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Hilmar sold out and jumped ship. Huh? He is still CEO. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942.md?page=41) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-black-desert-online-makers-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp/103942.md?page=43)