# Dev Blog: Call for CSM 13 Candidates! **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [February 27, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124 "2018-02-27T18:37:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/82 "2018-03-04T00:37:02Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > And it would still leave us with pretty much the same as what what have now - More people vote for more candidates the same few win, it just means they win with less votes overall. > > Stop “alt voting”, 1 vote per player. Show me where I said we should be throwing as many candidates as possible at things to get the ‘vote for more candidates’ part of that, please. I’ve got no problem with 1 vote per player, though. That won’t negate the advantage of organization, mind you. Nothing, other than ‘you can only get 50 (or whatever) votes’ will do that, and that kind of blows the idea of elections out of the water. Personally, I think highsec candidates should work to get organized as well. But I do agree that CCP needs to find ways to put info _in_ the game. Not just on the CSM elections, either. Events only show up if you know to look for them. Actual in-game storyline developments _never get mentioned in the game_. For example, ORE’s issuing their First Quarter economic report. That likely ties into developments with Upwell 2.0, or new developments that might be coming with haulers, miners, rorquals… who knows? Most of the player base has no clue. Similarly, most of the players had no idea about entire fleets of heavily damaged Drifters hanging around stargates in highsec _not_ aggressing on people (unless you have a corpse in the hold) and, when engaged, not firing the superweapon, and giving up on fighting back entirely after a certain percentage of losses was taken. They didn’t know that last winter, a deadly plague broke out in 5 locations all across New Eden, and there was a desperate effort (including the FF LARP) to find a cure. Getting more info to the players **in-game** is a huge issue. It’s one that goes far beyond the CSM elections. But it does _definitely_ touch on them, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/83 "2018-03-04T00:37:42Z")
If there was a double like button I woulda used it, thanks Arrendis. And for the record? What goon representatives I worked with in CSM were reasonable folks. Though I Sion DID called me an anarchist . . . he was right so no harm done. m ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/84 "2018-03-04T02:59:35Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Provide valid information within the game - Not forums or blogs or twitch and the like (you have to know something is about to happen to know to look for them) - so people know what is happening in the game. CSM elections are a mystery to many players. Absolutely agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/85 "2018-03-04T04:01:19Z")
> Show me where I said we should be throwing as many candidates as possible at things to get the ‘vote for more candidates’ part of that, please. Sorry wasn’t very clear. What i meant was we would end up with more unknown candidates giving the few popular names (those on ballots for the groups who can organise) a far easier run to a seat. If you have 20 people on a ballot and 5 of those are well known/popular, who’s going to win the 5 available seats? To be honest, I believe getting more info into the game is EXACTLY the type of thing the CSM should be focusing on as a side project. Along with a number of other things that would only improve the game for players. The agency has potential, if only CCP had the foresight to put it to use. Instead, as usual, they concentrate on adding half finished items into the game at the expense of quality. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/86 "2018-03-04T05:25:17Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > What i meant was we would end up with more unknown candidates giving the few popular names (those on ballots for the groups who can organise) a far easier run to a seat. Well, that’s just it: unknowns will _always_ be at a disadvantage against those who take the time to organize first. You’re never going to change that. It doesn’t matter if you’re talking about the null blocs or leaders in the FW militias. If Highsec wants to get _their_ people to win a balloting process, it doesn’t matter how many votes there are per player. It matters how well the HS candidates can get their message out, and that takes organization. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/87 "2018-03-04T06:02:43Z")
And that will always be the biggest issue - Getting the message out. Currently the biggest organised “highsec entity” is pandemic horde, a nulsec alliance. Getting the message out - How exactly does a group of individuals “get the message out” about a good CSM candidate? Highsec doesn’t boast dedicated websites for members that need to be joined to be in highsec, it doesn’t have “a voice”. I think we can both basically agree, the CSM is a sham group that is in no way representative of the Eve player base - And worse, nothing about that can or ever will change. After discussions with the CSM, we decided to go with XXXX - Sends chills down my spine. It tells me CCP knows this will be an unpopular/bad change/addition but the CSM signed off on it so like it or not it’s coming. Like CCP is going to not release something they have put time into developing simply because a CSM member points out the (often obvious) flaws in it - That’s what the test server is supposed to be for and Devs pay no attention to feedback from there either. So why do we have a CSM? Seriously WHY? It will never be representative of the Eve player base so why have it? Just because we have for so long, really isn’t good enough. It needs a complete overhaul or to be trashed like an old outdated piece of software. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/88 "2018-03-04T06:33:27Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > I think we can both basically agree, the CSM is a sham group that is in no way representative of the Eve player base - And worse, nothing about that can or ever will change. I don’t actually agree there. I think if highsec candidates make an effort to get their message out, they can have pretty good reach. Among other things, they should talk to the null blocs about getting the message out. Be a consistent presence, be a _visible_ presence, talking about the issues in highsec, talking about ideas for game balance. I think if the HS candidates put the work in, the CSM can be a very representative body. As for being a sham… no, again, I very strongly disagree. The CSM isn’t there to do things, it’s there to provide CCP with expert advice. From what we’ve been hearing, that’s what they’ve been doing—and not just on issues of nullsec. Go read over the feedback posts on the Feb patch, you’ll see @Jin_taan talking about how the CSM had pointed out problems with RW and the FOBs that were borne out (as did Sisi test-players [not to be confused with TEST players]), and issues with the implementation of the Agency, as well. The CSM’s a focus group. That’s it. They can only offer feedback on the issues CCP decides to work on. They can suggest things to work on, but it’s on CCP, not the CSM, to listen to those suggestions just like it’s on CCP to listen to all of the other suggestions the CSM makes. And they _have_ listened, on a number of matters. Just not on all of them, or (usually) on where the priorities should be. So no, I don’t think it’s a sham. I just think it’s not perfect, and it has no authoritative power, so it’s always going to fall short of what people might hope it can accomplish. But those hopes, in the end, are seriously over-reaching to begin with. If you wanna abolish the whole thing, that’s a perfectly valid perspective… but I’d rather _some_ things got caught and fixed ahead of time than _none_. ---
**Author:** ![commander\_aze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commander_aze/32/209348_2.png) [@commander\_aze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/commander_aze)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/89 "2018-03-04T07:17:37Z")
It would be great to use the in game broadcast tool like seen for CCPs o7 show or other random times. At least as a low effort start. Every 6 hours ping the whole server with a reminder to vote, I’d love to see in game voting and player profiles of candidates in game. So people could see who they are voting for. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/90 "2018-03-04T07:59:09Z")
Funny thing is though, the same issues Jin’tan was talking about had been pointed out for months by others. I think it also funny that some players attempt to contact CSM members to discuss issues, like FOBs, RW’s, The Agency and just don’t get acknowledged. I realize a lot of the issues facing the CSM are related to CCP’s inability to see the water for the sludge floating on it. CCP usually “listen” to the CSM when player outcry reaches worrying levels. I would rather see the CSM become more representative than see it abolished BUT if it can’t adapt then it needs to be gone. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/91 "2018-03-04T09:04:31Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > BUT if it can’t adapt then it needs to be gone. So that even less gets fixed before it hits TQ? Really? Have you ever heard the phrase ‘don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good’? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/92 "2018-03-04T09:26:57Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > Yep, full of bloc benefits there. They’re just so impacted by FW and wardecs … and with nullification on top. So many CSMs have passed and we have the biggest and most entrenched RMT cartels ever in game. How could you all let that happen? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/93 "2018-03-04T09:37:03Z")
If you have proof of RMT, please submit a ticket immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/94 "2018-03-04T09:50:48Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > If you have proof of RMT, please submit a ticket immediately. Just … lol. ---
**Author:** ![Drago\_Shouna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drago_shouna/32/350651_2.png) [@Drago\_Shouna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drago_Shouna)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/95 "2018-03-04T11:15:37Z")
> [@Desu\_Vult](#): > > Since Iceland is in Schengen area, is passport still a requirement for EU citizens? Yes, in fact you’ll have to go through passport control at your departure airport. ---
**Author:** ![Awesome\_Possum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/awesome_possum/32/54051_2.png) [@Awesome\_Possum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Awesome_Possum)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/96 "2018-03-04T15:51:46Z")
as someone who hasn’t played in 5 years and doesn’t understand any of the new mechanics or skills, I think I am a perfect candidate for csm. I’m not even doing it for the Iceland trip, I promise to video conference the meetings. you need a guy like you on the panel, someone to interrupt every 5 minutes to go “wait… you can do that?” also, I seem to be the only person that understands why there need to be drone implants… so all you vni/ishtar whores, I’m your guy. vote for me. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/97 "2018-03-04T16:15:26Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > CCP usually “listen” to the CSM when player outcry reaches worrying levels. And sometimes we have a hand in stirring that. Take a look at what I did with regards to balance for example. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/98 "2018-03-04T16:16:53Z")
Alternatively message [security@ccpgames.com](mailto:security@ccpgames.com), if the report system isn’t to your taste. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/99 "2018-03-04T16:30:41Z")
But Jin! It’s so much easier to just lob vague accusations because ‘everybody knows’, even if the facts and evidence don’t support those conclusions! ---
**Author:** ![Beta\_Maoye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beta_maoye/32/140122_2.png) [@Beta\_Maoye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beta_Maoye)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/100 "2018-03-04T16:50:21Z")
I don’t think CSM is bad for the game. After 15 years, blocs and this game have already formed a symbiotic relationship. This relationship is now critical for the survival of the game. Blocs’ voice must be heard. However, I would like CSM to be rectified as CNM - Council of Nullsec Management, to reflect what it actually represents. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124/101 "2018-03-04T17:13:11Z")
> [@Beta\_Maoye](#): > > This relationship is now critical for the survival of the game. Yep, this is the same unhealthy relationship RL politics has to the “too big to fail” banks. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-call-for-csm-13-candidates/60124.md?page=6)