# Dev blog: CSM Winter Summit Minutes & changes to election process **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Created:** [February 8, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136 "2018-02-08T21:31:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Lord\_Razpataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_razpataz/32/266831_2.png) [@Lord\_Razpataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Razpataz)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/263 "2018-02-11T19:59:38Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > This is where a ‘relatively’ weak structure for the attacker comes into play. Is this like one structure per war, or can 0.0 blocks have weekend fun dropping all the wars of the highsec mercs? ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/264 "2018-02-11T20:04:54Z")
He said it quite plainly, don’t mince words. We are getting sidetracked though, my point is that through the removal of tools and a lack of surrounding Ballance to other inter dependant mechanics, bears got shafted too, _they lost the ability to know when it was safe_. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/265 "2018-02-11T20:04:57Z")
Yes, it was hyperbole. The point is that the people who want to fight back _are_ fighting back already. They aren’t the folks who need incentive to stick around. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/266 "2018-02-11T20:06:32Z")
> [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](#): > > He said it quite plainly, don’t mince words. I’m not. It’s not a privacy issue. He could’ve said it was a civil rights issue, that wouldn’t make it one of those, either. ---
**Author:** ![Freelancer117](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freelancer117/32/435453_2.png) [@Freelancer117](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freelancer117)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/267 "2018-02-11T20:23:03Z")
77 pages within 2 weeks, and very informative. Especially what is not on ccp’s development/itteration radar. Any thoughts about the csm election delay ? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/268 "2018-02-11T20:23:18Z")
It’d be nice if we could end the dec early or get _something_ though. Rather than holding our dicks for a week. Its kinda been echoed by the csm. Being unable to force fights is turning people off pvp. For those completely uninterested in wardecs, there can be social corps. ---
**Author:** ![Freelancer117](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freelancer117/32/435453_2.png) [@Freelancer117](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freelancer117)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/269 "2018-02-11T20:24:16Z")
Sort did talk a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Freelancer117](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freelancer117/32/435453_2.png) [@Freelancer117](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freelancer117)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/270 "2018-02-11T20:32:11Z")
What about a mercenary marketplace in game plz ? ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/271 "2018-02-11T20:34:35Z")
> [@Freelancer117](#): > > mercenary marketplace Raz bait ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Razpataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_razpataz/32/266831_2.png) [@Lord\_Razpataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Razpataz)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/272 "2018-02-11T20:37:39Z")
> [@Freelancer117](#): > > What about a mercenary marketplace in game plz ? [They tried back in 2012, ccp’s version is already in game](https://www.eveonline.com/article/with-friends-like-these...-new-ally-system/) > The new Ally System introduced in the upcoming Inferno expansion is an addendum to the war mechanics, one that allows players to more easily get aid when finding themselves dragged into an unfavorable war, through our **_mercenary marketplace_**. ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/273 "2018-02-11T20:38:04Z")
Called it ---
**Author:** ![Freelancer117](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freelancer117/32/435453_2.png) [@Freelancer117](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freelancer117)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/274 "2018-02-11T20:39:43Z")
Don’t forget milking the current playerbase for $$$ Ccp is making another new and highly innovative mmorpg. > **[CCP Games is hiring for a 'a new and highly ambitious MMORPG'](https://www.pcgamer.com/ccp-games-is-hiring-for-a-a-new-and-highly-ambitious-mmorpg/)** > > The EVE Online studio has posted job lists for designers, artists, engineers, and more. ---
**Author:** ![Freelancer117](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freelancer117/32/435453_2.png) [@Freelancer117](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freelancer117)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/275 "2018-02-11T20:41:15Z")
Can I come in and play… ---
**Author:** ![Freelancer117](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freelancer117/32/435453_2.png) [@Freelancer117](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freelancer117)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/276 "2018-02-11T20:46:15Z")
If ccp makes a atmosperic flight mmo where you can land on a planet, and in the meantime safely log off in eve with your ship, and walk around on planets Legion/dust/what ever its called now. You might gain some credit. A space elevator later on connecting eve and this new mmo would be sweat. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/277 "2018-02-11T20:52:55Z")
Makes a lot of since given how CCP effectively shits down over the summer for a few weeks, always a huge momentum killer. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/278 "2018-02-11T20:56:53Z")
> [@Jin\_taan](#): > > Makes a lot of since given how CCP effectively shits down over the summer for a few weeks, always a huge momentum killer. 😁 deliberate typo? ---
**Author:** ![Amarisen\_Gream](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amarisen_gream/32/296747_2.png) [@Amarisen\_Gream](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amarisen_Gream)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/279 "2018-02-11T23:41:22Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > It’s not ‘the poor minds at CCP’, it’s that no matter who CCP tries to please, someone else will get mad because Person/Group B thinks what Person/Group A wants is exactly the thing that’s already killing the game, but worse! Pretty sure you pretty much just said what I did with more pretty 🌺💐🌸🌼🌷🌷s and stuff. Linking this, as most of the community could probably learn something from it (specially those Reddit people 😉) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/9/8/9989fd0b101705a67ecd536205cc607e30b77f07.jpeg ""Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes (Official 4K Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc) ---
**Author:** ![Coralas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coralas/32/11762_2.png) [@Coralas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coralas)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/280 "2018-02-11T23:46:51Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > So in order to successfully defend, the defender has to become the aggressor, and attack someone else’s structure? > > Oh, well, that makes total sense. People who focus on mining are gonna be _great_ at sieging cits… There needs to downsides to playstyle choices. In this case the structure being offered is has great upside for defenders anyway, since if its defeated, the war is over early and they won. Also being able to succeed in such ventures should finally bring about a competitive advantage to the corporations that do this. ie a reason to not make a 1 man corp or a 3 friends corp, but join up with a large pve/pvp blend corporation/alliance, since such things can actually get out of wars and offer peacetime pve as well as the corporate support. This would actually make mass decs serve a useful purpose ingame too. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/281 "2018-02-12T00:13:34Z")
Details to be worked out by people who can actually design games 😉 That’s not me. ---
**Author:** ![Ravcharas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravcharas/32/510738_2.png) [@Ravcharas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravcharas)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2018, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-csm-winter-summit-minutes-changes-to-election-process/56136/282 "2018-02-12T00:16:09Z")
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