# Dev blog: Moon mining revamped - There’s Ore in Them Thar Moons **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 19, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954 "2017-07-19T13:19:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Zetakya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zetakya/32/169095_2.png) [@Zetakya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zetakya)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/221 "2017-07-21T03:11:32Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > They want go PvP, not PvE. There are many of us that find PvE so boring we never do it. > > This system forces PvE on people with no interest in it at all. Especially mining. That’s the least engaging, snooze fest in the game. Adding more of a boring mechanic into the game doesn’t increase engagement. It just increases boredom. You consent to PvE when you log into Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/222 "2017-07-21T04:16:23Z")
> [@Zetakya](#): > > You consent to PvE when you log into Eve. So can I take it that all the complaints about PCU dropping because of PvP being forced on people is actually ass backwards? It’s because of the PvE being forced on people and the lack of conflict. That makes sense.Off topic, but seems legit. /s ---
**Author:** ![Feka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feka/32/14517_2.png) [@Feka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feka)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/223 "2017-07-21T05:16:36Z")
> [@Mindly\_Com](#): > > Anything nullsec only I do not care about. Stop wasting time on nullsec only features Since Lowsec will have mineable moons, too, everything is fine in your limited world. ---
**Author:** ![WitcherW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/witcherw/32/20413_2.png) [@WitcherW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WitcherW)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/224 "2017-07-21T06:19:16Z")
People stop cry about PVP If you in HS people gank you if you in low sec pirate siting on stations and w8 dt blop you if you are un null whole fleet ops deoping cyno on just on one miner … dont talk about PVE if you never done one ! ---
**Author:** ![Marox\_Calendale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marox_calendale/32/267005_2.png) [@Marox\_Calendale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marox_Calendale)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/225 "2017-07-21T08:10:10Z")
I do understand why WH shouldn´t have T2 Materials, but this way of harvesting Moon Goo is too nice to leave it only to Nullsec. Scanning a new hole and finding a timer when miners have to leave their structures… Absolutely great! I really enjoy just to think about, how to use this new mechanic. Maybe we can have some additional new ores including only T1 Minerals and T3 Gases and only available in J-Space, while the new ores mentioned above are only available in Nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/226 "2017-07-21T08:56:56Z")
Most WH folks would be happy with being able to pull up ore and ice fields on a timed basis to be honest, leave tech II in losec/Null and tech III in WH space. ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/227 "2017-07-21T10:07:19Z")
> [@Elassus\_Herron](#): > > Now, however, let’s take the upper end of your timer for the moon drill array, at 1 month. If that’s the case, now – assuming no changes is income on a moon network with the same mix of value – that alliance has to be running 200 moon-mining ops a month. > > That would be an enormous extra workload, one I doubt most alliances would be willing to take on. So the alliances cut way back on their moon harvesting operations. This in turn causes T2 prices to skyrocket, which in turn leads to the moons being much more valuable than previously. You’re writing it from the PoV of a trigger-happy PvP’er or an industry/mining character? After the removal of exploration scanning, mining is the only meditative activity I enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/228 "2017-07-21T10:19:05Z")
There’s nothing broken about feature not being outside of Null and Low sec space, it was an intentional design decision that we are not changing at this time. I’m not sure I follow your logic here… ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/229 "2017-07-21T10:23:17Z")
[quote=“Querns, post:153, topic:10954”] CCP won’t go this route. They want you to build an empire, not be a wandering vulture. [/quote]One does not preclude not exclude another. A moon may have a “base” component percentage that stays persistent plus a “bonus” composition that wanders in and out on some cycle. You can imagine it as “ore veins”. You hit the vein, the material distribution changes. You miss it, you get “base” materials. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/230 "2017-07-21T10:42:40Z")
I think the perception is that this change pushes moon mining more firmly into the grip of larger nullsec groups, a feature being nominally in losec as well isn’t the same as it being viable in losec. Note, I’m in WH so have no idea on the truth of this. Meanwhile, any thought on a seismic charge module that blows chunks of ore off the crusticle in transit (i.e. outside refinery defence range) to replace the siphons. This would provide a mechanism for ninja miners to nibble away at these resources (as siphons did ) but at the expense of being visible in hostile space whilst doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Feka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feka/32/14517_2.png) [@Feka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feka)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/231 "2017-07-21T10:48:58Z")
> [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > Meanwhile, any thought on a seismic charge module that blows chunks of ore off the crusticle in transit (i.e. outside refinery defence range) to replace the siphons. This would provide a mechanism for ninja miners to nibble away at these resources (as siphons did ) but at the expense of being visible in hostile space whilst doing so. You can just ninja mine once the belt spawned, there’s no need for an additional mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/232 "2017-07-21T10:54:10Z")
Once it’s spawned the moon owner knows it’s there and will generally mine the hell out of it immediately. This mechanic would allow for true ninja mining where you can steal chunks of rock before the owner is aware. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/233 "2017-07-21T11:04:02Z")
So you say it was intentional? :ccpfalcon: I think High sec deserves more conflict drivers and revenue streams. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/234 "2017-07-21T11:10:24Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > So you say it was intentional? :ccpfalcon: > > I think High sec deserves more conflict drivers and revenue streams. I’m not disagreeing with that at all. I’m just saying that this feature being for Null and Low isnt broken, its what the feature was made for. Its like saying that we need to fix the lack of Concord in Nullsec, because that feature has been broken for years 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/235 "2017-07-21T11:14:45Z")
So if you are not changing it this time, then when? Such a great oportunity to make mining great again, and you are missing it. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/236 "2017-07-21T11:15:21Z")
> [@Feka](#): > > You can just ninja mine once the belt spawned, there’s no need for an additional mechanic. CCP Lebowski, what kind of force would one need to ninja mine. Solo expedition frigate? Mining Op with assault/defence fleet? > [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > What if expedition frigates could mine chunks say day before they arrive to refinery? ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/237 "2017-07-21T11:17:52Z")
We’re not willing to commit to any plans or firm dates at this time. I hope you can see that this is to ensure we can deliver on what we promise. As I said before, this feature in some form making it to highsec and wormhole space isn’t something we’re against, that’s all we’re happy to say at this time. Thanks for the discussion though, appreciate the enthusiasm! ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/238 "2017-07-21T12:06:46Z")
@CCP_Lebowski do you have any predictions about what these changes will mean for content other than Mining? Maybe I’m not seeing something, but it seems to me that due to the significant need of T2 mats there will be a significant need/incentive for people going into these belts, thus leaving significantly less time for other group activities, such as PVP. - Edit: not trying to argue with the basic decision. It has been made and it seems that all of EVE apart from most Lowsec Groups like it, so be it. Just curious really if the danger of decreased PVP activity was taken into consideration or if it is an intentional effect even. ---
**Author:** ![Feka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feka/32/14517_2.png) [@Feka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feka)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/239 "2017-07-21T12:28:15Z")
> [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](#): > > Once it’s spawned the moon owner knows it’s there and will generally mine the hell out of it immediately. This mechanic would allow for true ninja mining where you can steal chunks of rock before the owner is aware. You mean the “true ninja” will avoid any kind of player interaction and mine the Moongooium after the owner invested probably billions in the infrastructure, scanned and set up the refinery. And the owner can do absolutly nothing about it. There needs to be some kind of advantage on the side of the person/group putting in the effort. If you want the goo, contest the belt with something more than a cloaky mining frigate. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/240 "2017-07-21T12:30:31Z")
I mean a true ninja will enter hostile space and steal stuff whilst at risk of being spotted and engaged, having to wait until the belt is inside the refinery defence range means that the moon owner just needs an alt sat in control of the guns and goodbye non-ninja miner. Ed: The refinery owner also has the advantage that the crusticle is floating through space that they are supposed to control. You don’t want more targets in your space? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954.md?page=13)