# Dev blog: Moon mining revamped - There’s Ore in Them Thar Moons **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [July 19, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954 "2017-07-19T13:19:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![P3ps1\_Max](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/p3ps1_max/32/390560_2.png) [@P3ps1\_Max](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/P3ps1_Max)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/462 "2017-07-24T21:58:16Z")
My question is, will this moon mining be exclusively for lowsec causing major alliances in NULL to utilize the war declaration feature in-game? Currently wardecs are really for highsec and a broken feature. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/463 "2017-07-24T23:01:35Z")
> [@P3ps1\_Max](#): > > My question is, will this moon mining be exclusively for lowsec causing major alliances in NULL to utilize the war declaration feature in-game? Currently wardecs are really for highsec and a broken feature. What? You don’t need to declare war to shoot lowsec structures. No one cares about standings; that’s what neutral shopping alts are for. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/464 "2017-07-25T00:19:01Z")
> Querns > A member? Yes. Active? No. He was working for CCP while the CFC was a thing. Killboard activity says different. [Maybe CCP’s API tells lies.](https://zkillboard.com/character/902506853/) Or we have very different understandings of what an active player is… ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/465 "2017-07-25T00:20:27Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Killboard activity says different. > > Maybe CCP’s API tells lies. You are aware that “Goonswarm” isn’t part of the CFC or Imperium, right? ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/466 "2017-07-25T00:43:49Z")
Seriously. You do just make his up as you go… Without the giant bluedonut there would be no Goonswarm… And to even suggest otherwise is either a straight out lie or you are very niave. [Try reading your own propaganda](http://goonfleet.org) ---
**Author:** ![Coralas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coralas/32/11762_2.png) [@Coralas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coralas)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/467 "2017-07-25T03:38:19Z")
> [@tasman\_devil](#): > > Right now low sec (not FW) is more deserted than most of 0.0. The only way you could breathe life into it is by moving value in there. Forcing everyone to have a go at the limited and concentrated space and resources there. Perhaps you should set your d-scan to show towers. Low is full of active towers on moons, both extracting from valuable moons and running reaction chains. > [@](#): > > And yes, 0.0 cartells would move into low sec, but -done right by CCP- could only partly exert their real force. And with a lot of options to disrupt their operations by marauding hit&run small gangs, their presence could be classified as that of targets instead of “don’t touch or else you’ll get 150 titans dropped on you!”. They are there on all the money moons right now, and yes this change will do what you want, since they have to bring miners to fill up local, offer you targets and show their presence for hours at a time, not a cyno alt, jf onto docking ring, 10 minutes with a local hauling ship and then jf gone, for another 30 days. (all the extra effort of which is probably going to just free up moons for locals). > [@](#): > > Either that or you give the most valuable ores to 0.0. But in that case, you only shuffled **_half_** the deck and people will most likely not move at all. > > Just my two cents. You could go survey a low region right now if you wanted to see where it stands currently. ---
**Author:** ![Penance\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/penance_toralen/32/244089_2.png) [@Penance\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Penance_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/468 "2017-07-25T04:41:49Z")
Well since it is on the table of discussion at your instance. We can talk about the elephant. The Jump Freighter 90% was always intended to be a temporary measure. We’ve long since past the Expire Date when then this should be re-visited and scaled back. There has been plenty of time for Null/Low to implement measures for the eventual removal of the training wheels. Thanks for bringing it up, over to CCP for an answer. ---
**Author:** ![Feka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feka/32/14517_2.png) [@Feka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feka)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/469 "2017-07-25T05:09:53Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Seriously. > You do just make his up as you go… > > Without the giant bluedonut there would be no Goonswarm… > And to even suggest otherwise is either a straight out lie or you are very niave. > > Try reading your own propaganda Let me hold your hand on this one: Goonswarm and Goonswarm Federation are two different entities. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Austrene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_austrene/32/227390_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Austrene](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Austrene)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/470 "2017-07-25T07:13:09Z")
All I can see is that he was there for a couple of months in 2013, lost a few ships in 2014 and then coming back in 2016 and splintering into Goonswarm, which is not the same as Goonswarm federation and not part of the Imperium. ---
**Author:** ![tasman\_devil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tasman_devil/32/432430_2.png) [@tasman\_devil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tasman_devil)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/471 "2017-07-25T07:33:53Z")
> [@Coralas](#): > > > [@tasman\_devil](#): > > > > Right now low sec (not FW) is more deserted than most of 0.0. The only way you could breathe life into it is by moving value in there. Forcing everyone to have a go at the limited and concentrated space and resources there. > > Perhaps you should set your d-scan to show towers. Low is full of active towers on moons, both extracting from valuable moons and running reaction chains. Towers, yes People, no That is my problem. (And I think it is a problem of the game too) ---
**Author:** ![Feka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/feka/32/14517_2.png) [@Feka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Feka)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/472 "2017-07-25T08:44:54Z")
> [@tasman\_devil](#): > > Towers, yes > People, no > > That is my problem. (And I think it is a problem of the game too) And exactly the problem these changes are going to address. ---
**Author:** ![tasman\_devil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tasman_devil/32/432430_2.png) [@tasman\_devil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tasman_devil)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/473 "2017-07-25T10:39:50Z")
> [@Feka](#): > > > [@tasman\_devil](#): > > > > Towers, yes > > People, no > > > > That is my problem. (And I think it is a problem of the game too) > > And exactly the problem these changes are going to address. I hope they will, time will tell. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/474 "2017-07-25T10:47:58Z")
Personally I would err towards boosting losec and smaller groups/solo players opportunities as they need the help most. Querns already said that moon mining is no longer a major part of their income and it doesn’t matter to them even if it fails. By that judgement it would be better to spread the benefits out more to those areas and player groups who need it more. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/475 "2017-07-25T11:34:52Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Try reading your own propaganda LOL, you linked the scam site. You retard. ---
**Author:** ![Querns](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/querns/32/157529_2.png) [@Querns](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Querns)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/476 "2017-07-25T11:38:40Z")
> [@Penance\_Toralen](#): > > Well since it is on the table of discussion at your instance. We can talk about the elephant. The Jump Freighter 90% was always intended to be a temporary measure. We’ve long since past the Expire Date when then this should be re-visited and scaled back. There has been plenty of time for Null/Low to implement measures for the eventual removal of the training wheels. Thanks for bringing it up, over to CCP for an answer. Well, that all depends on how moon mining shakes out. Right now, Delve is almost completely self-sufficient. One of the few things we’re forced to import is moongoo – the regional nature of R32s and R8s require at least someone to import in order to make local T2 production possible. If the new design eliminates regionally-locked moongoo, I’ll be right behind you. After all, Mutually Assured Destruction is a bargain Goonswarm Federation is almost always prepared to accept, and we’d be practically giddy to accept a change that utterly ruins everyone else in the game and hands us the keys to power by dint of our superior organization and production. ---
**Author:** ![Osa\_Engawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/osa_engawa/32/212880_2.png) [@Osa\_Engawa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Osa_Engawa)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/477 "2017-07-25T11:48:41Z")
I agree that these particular changes will be good for lowsec, but in general I think the best approach to lowsec is nerfing highsec incomes. You want the isk, you take the risk. I would rather not have buffs to lowsec that draw null alliances in, which it was rightly pointed out that moons in their current state do. I think the moon mining changes will help reduce that. However, I also think it’s important not to measure the value of lowsec by its population. Low should be sparsely populated anyway, and it’s going to look even emptier than it is if you just fly through because people don’t stay in one place very long. One thing I wouldn’t do is assume that other null alliances will cope with the coming changes the way GSF says they will. Goons have been pretty public about moving their income away from moons for a while now, and the monthly economic report reflects that if you look at Delve. You don’t see similar activity elsewhere, except maybe Deklein to a much lesser extent. It will be interesting to see if NC., PL, etc. form up mining fleets because I don’t see any indication that they’ve got anything else going on in their regions. Edit: looks like Querns has confirmed this while I was typing. I’m going to assume he knows more about the state of other null alliances than I do. I’m now very curious what those alliances intend to do to support their operations. ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/478 "2017-07-25T12:29:15Z")
> [@Osa\_Engawa](#): > > Edit: looks like Querns has confirmed this while I was typing. I’m going to assume he knows more about the state of other null alliances than I do. I’m now very curious what those alliances intend to do to support their operations. My guess is raising renting prices but nobody know yet how high the market for systems will go. ---
**Author:** ![Winkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/winkin/32/171935_2.png) [@Winkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Winkin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/479 "2017-07-25T13:31:04Z")
Is it just me, or is this going to be the exactly like how Rorquals played and CCP nerfs the hell out of them after they’ve gotten all the £££££ out of players 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/480 "2017-07-25T13:56:40Z")
How do you plan to PLEX/skill inject your way to refineries? Train anchoring and the reprocessing skills to get your refinery on a moon and get slightly better refine rates? It’s not really that good of a cash grab push if that would have been the goal. ---
**Author:** ![Osa\_Engawa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/osa_engawa/32/212880_2.png) [@Osa\_Engawa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Osa_Engawa)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954/481 "2017-07-25T14:49:26Z")
Everybody knew a moon rebalance has been coming for years. I barely play this game and never touched a moon and I knew it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-moon-mining-revamped-there-s-ore-in-them-thar-moons/10954.md?page=25)