# Dev Blog: October Balance Pass! **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [September 17, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917 "2018-09-17T15:07:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 127
**Author:** ![BOOMER\_THEPRIME](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boomer_theprime/32/258936_2.png) [@BOOMER\_THEPRIME](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BOOMER_THEPRIME)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2563 "2018-10-08T18:36:50Z")
Did anyone had in mind what will HIC changes do to wh evictions? I would like DEV’s answer - how will it effect evictions. ---
**Author:** ![Malcom\_Duke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcom_duke/32/173145_2.png) [@Malcom\_Duke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malcom_Duke)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2564 "2018-10-08T19:26:11Z")
You still didn’t tell us how do you measure level of frustration… Because I haven’t been questioned by anybody or fill any poll how do I feel about something. So how the hell you know what majority thinks ? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2565 "2018-10-08T20:03:59Z")
> [@Malcom\_Duke](#): > > So how the hell you know what majority thinks ? Ask anybody who has been jammed how it feels. ---
**Author:** ![geekzoid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geekzoid/32/100518_2.png) [@geekzoid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/geekzoid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2566 "2018-10-08T20:04:33Z")
When the pirate players hear about the ECM balance they’ll cheer! They complain about all those miners and transports that got away because of an ECM burst. Now they’ll get those kills. It is funny, how else can a miner or transport defend against some of these monster ships with multiple webs and scrams! They can easily warp scram / web you and you’re fudged! ECM for some ships is all they have for defense! What they should do then is make it so a ship using ECM can do just that, ECM… and not lock or be able to attack or something (say the ecm prevents both from locking) Also, you can surpass ECM by increasing your ships sensors! ECM burst range is limited and multi-spectral is weak. how about players upgrade sensors instead of adding all those big guns! This is not balance. ---
**Author:** ![Amarisen\_Gream](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amarisen_gream/32/296747_2.png) [@Amarisen\_Gream](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amarisen_Gream)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2567 "2018-10-08T20:19:12Z")
Hello. I have a voice, though it isn’t like it used to be. I don’t know if I am one of the six who didn’t agree with these changes. For one thing, I believe there are much bigger issues that should have been looked at first… yet that keeps going on deft ears (well besides my @Brisc_Rubal who said he would take note). I consider myself a tech geek. I like reading tech news, and I love reading articles about how products help make people’s lives better. I was sharing one story with my aunt who told me of a man she hear about. He went to a dentist to have a tooth pulled as that tooth was hurting terribly. That dentist refused saying nothing was wrong. The next dentist pulled the tooth, but the pain didn’t go away. The third dentist asked a few more questions and sent the guy to the hospital for cardiac arrest. Just trying to say, sometimes what we see as the issues isn’t and it tends to be much much worse. And it normally takes more voices/opinions that two or three. It would have been nice to have more feedback from the developers who where in charge of the change. Sometimes it is they way the stuff is presented. I know I have a hard time getting what I want said out correct the first time many times. Do I like the changes: NO. But I did tell/ask people to get on Sisi and test it all out. And then provide feedback. Yes. Also some of the comments from both sides I feel we’re not acceptable. People should look up to many of the voices here. They have been around longer. But I am also not saying that they are always right. Fly safe, enjoy whatever play style you have (until it gets adjusted) and have fun in New Eden. TheGream P.s. I am still in game vacation, waiting for CCP to provide feedback on the future of Mac support… long term. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2568 "2018-10-08T20:27:48Z")
> [@Amarisen\_Gream](#): > > Do I like the changes: NO. But I did tell/ask people to get on Sisi and test it all out. And then provide feedback. Yes. And I appreciate that very much. I spoke with Rise yesterday and he asked that we reiterate that they want folks to provide feedback after the change is in, as they want at least one dev cycle between the changes and the fixes to make sure they have good data to craft the fix. ---
**Author:** ![geekzoid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geekzoid/32/100518_2.png) [@geekzoid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/geekzoid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2569 "2018-10-08T21:31:58Z")
because you got too close how about you upgrade your sensors ---
**Author:** ![Yoommik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yoommik/32/100572_2.png) [@Yoommik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yoommik)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2570 "2018-10-08T22:03:04Z")
If players are worried about ECM they can always upgrade their skills and ship’s sensor strength! I spend time skilling up and planning my ships’s defense and now it is being nerfed because a bunch of players just want to load up guns webs and scrams! So I have to suffer for this! screw this! I’m not paying for this service! My subscription ends in November! ---
**Author:** ![Kawasatan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kawasatan/32/97308_2.png) [@Kawasatan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kawasatan)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2571 "2018-10-08T22:24:33Z")
You wont receive no answer … devs dont waste their time here. ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2572 "2018-10-08T22:57:09Z")
I hate this change too, but I’m going to test and provide feed back. This change already shoehorned GNI and maybe the griffin, but its going to turn the whole line to “help im tackled!!! Warp to me at 70 and jam them” nich. Really dull huh. If your not going to provide feed back and say that this nerf sucks, can i have your stuff when you leave?? ---
**Author:** ![Yoommik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yoommik/32/100572_2.png) [@Yoommik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yoommik)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2573 "2018-10-09T00:02:18Z")
LOL, 🙂 No you can’t have my stuff… I’ll float around as an Alpha clone I guess [shuddering]… Perhaps until something peaks my interest enough for me to give them my credit card number again. But I’m not impressed right now so… ---
**Author:** ![Amarisen\_Gream](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amarisen_gream/32/296747_2.png) [@Amarisen\_Gream](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amarisen_Gream)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2574 "2018-10-09T00:41:28Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > And I appreciate that very much. I spoke with Rise yesterday and he asked that we reiterate that they want folks to provide feedback after the change is in, as they want at least one dev cycle between the changes and the fixes to make sure they have good data to craft the fix. Having been around EVE for the few years I have and knowing what kind of creepy spaghetti hentai monster 🐙 the system must be, I can respect that comment from @CCP_Rise. Do I feel it is “a day late” sure. Now I might be a week late asking this question or just not seen it. If I am understanding the ECM change, even though the ECMemer can be targeted by the ECMed guy, the ECMed guy still has to relock the ECMemer. So if the ECMer can get a successful jam off every cycle, the ECMed guy should still have to relock each cycle. Yes/No. Edit: I just reread the dev blog and it answers my question, just not the way I like it. ---
**Author:** ![11218](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/11218/32/198337_2.png) [@11218](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/11218)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2575 "2018-10-09T06:16:56Z")
Will the announced changes affect Support Fighter Scarab? If so, how? For example is Scarab will be lockable or Carrier or both? ---
**Author:** ![BOOMER\_THEPRIME](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boomer_theprime/32/258936_2.png) [@BOOMER\_THEPRIME](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BOOMER_THEPRIME)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2576 "2018-10-09T06:19:43Z")
??? This changes are cos someone is feeling sad when ecmed? WFT? Grow up for God sake or go play tetris if Eve “hurts U’re feelings”. Stop ruining the game. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2577 "2018-10-09T06:45:27Z")
What HAC change? Do you mean hic? If so not very much ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2578 "2018-10-09T06:54:36Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Ask anybody who has been jammed how it feels. Anecdotal… However i fly logistics and i get jammed allot. I feel a hell of a lot better when i only see ecm ships than i do when i see damps. This change doesn’t even come close to helping the rage inducing parts of ecm. This change helps no one. Ecms biggest problem is ec drones. Next biggest issue is using them just to break tackle. This only nerfs fleet ecm most just the t2 and frigates. And these were not much of an issue at all. When i asked you how you saw this helping i pointed out why it doesn’t even help where you think it will. You can lock the blackbird/ scorpion? Ooh how great… you can’t hit them but at least you can lock them. Look i can jam ec drones!!! I mean i have to lock the one currently jamming me and hope i can kill it before it swaps even then iv probably been jammed to long by the time i kill them. ■■■■ in small gang and solo the drones are just pulled and reapplied if the jam fails so that’s not fixed either. Did no one actually try crafting around this when it was proposed? Or did you all just go “yes you can lock a ship and before the problem was you couldn’t we fixed ecm guys” ---
**Author:** ![BOOMER\_THEPRIME](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boomer_theprime/32/258936_2.png) [@BOOMER\_THEPRIME](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BOOMER_THEPRIME)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2579 "2018-10-09T06:54:45Z")
Yeah, U R right…my bad…HIC, not HAC ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2580 "2018-10-09T07:00:35Z")
Once again then not much at all. Hics can still reduce their mass ---
**Author:** ![HiddenPorpoise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hiddenporpoise/32/423622_2.png) [@HiddenPorpoise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/HiddenPorpoise)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2581 "2018-10-09T07:09:07Z")
HICs can use the new module to get the old effect for rolling, after enough scorn CCP backed down from telling WHs they don’t matter at all. Overall HICs are much faster even with bubbles up and I fully expect that this will get more complaints than the rare lurch. The new mod can also be useful in regular fits for hard stops as it gives a 90% speed reduction. reduces mass, and scrams the ship using it. I also expect someone to find this useful and someone else complain about it. And if you are wondering: the new mod is a toggle with no timer. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2582 "2018-10-09T07:15:23Z")
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