# Dev blog: Preparing For The Future – Retirement of EVE Voice **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [February 20, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460 "2018-02-20T11:33:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Alexhandr\_Shkarov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexhandr_shkarov/32/350707_2.png) [@Alexhandr\_Shkarov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexhandr_Shkarov)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/42 "2018-02-20T14:42:20Z")
> [@Borroed\_Thyme](#): > > We’ve had upwards of 100 people in our CCD fleets in the recent past, and I’m worried that a requirement to download TS/Discord/Mumble might hurt our particpation numbers moving forward… I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Hello! I am someone who, on other toons, flew with CCD/CCG rather frequently and I actually welcome this for three primary reasons. 1. EVE Voice was hopelessly laggy and volume controls aren’t implemented well leading to vastly varying volumes across the board. 2. We’ve been plagued in CCG with veteran players who are so bitter and toxic that they come into fleets screeching because we’re having fun. It happened repeatedly but not much can be done. With third party systems we do have the benefit of muting people like that across the board. 3. It does happen that EVE disconnects especially with worse connections. Losing access to communications and being dead in space really doesn’t work in your favour. Additionally, I see: > [@Chan\_aar](#): > > None, but when your internet is 0.75GB downloading TS is 25 - 30 mins … that can hurt your ability to join up with things on the fly. To that reasoning I can only say this. You are an EVE Online player, a game that is known to require external communication systems for many activities. A majority uses Discord / Teamspeak / Mumble, but you end up having to rage-download it right before content happens. That isn’t a problem of the tools or the speed of your connection, but rather the lack of foresight. I have all three above clients installed, even if 99% is Discord-based. ---
**Author:** ![Alexhandr\_Shkarov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexhandr_shkarov/32/350707_2.png) [@Alexhandr\_Shkarov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexhandr_Shkarov)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/43 "2018-02-20T14:44:32Z")
A fair assessment, except plenty of other development studios have been integrating Discord with their environment through cooperation. A lot of things that I posted above are not yet available in any API. There’s not a single API that enables you to integrate EVE Chat into your Discord chatroom. From a Discord perspective, it would be interesting if there is some form of webhook that can post in-game messages along with something that pulls messages back into an in-game channel. To enable such functionality, CCP will need to work with Discord. Slack is already XMPP-enabled and thus easier to bridge for the tech savvy community members. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/44 "2018-02-20T14:56:26Z")
> [@LouHodo](#): > > 64bit client, does this mean the addition of many new ships as the system can handle the increased load? lol nope 🔊 ---
**Author:** ![Jarno\_Midumulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jarno_midumulf/32/55666_2.png) [@Jarno\_Midumulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jarno_Midumulf)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/45 "2018-02-20T14:57:58Z")
yeah please do, so we make chat bots and spam every one… /s ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Szadek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_szadek/32/413008_2.png) [@Count\_Szadek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Szadek)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/46 "2018-02-20T15:00:07Z")
On a further note, why isnt there an official Eve Online Discord that has messages and links to announcements and public channels and such … or did I miss that memo? ---
**Author:** ![Sawako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sawako/32/207046_2.png) [@Sawako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sawako)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/47 "2018-02-20T15:00:42Z")
What next after 64bit client? Have you been secretly re-developing all of eve for version 2.0? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mikkhi\_Kisht](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikkhi_kisht/32/171906_2.png) [@Mikkhi\_Kisht](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikkhi_Kisht)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/48 "2018-02-20T15:05:31Z")
Every so often after a patch/update/expansion the Eve Voice would turn itself back on. It’s habit now, if my game client is acting up, see if it’s on (then turn it back off.) There were a couple times then that solved the buggy problem, so I’m one of those edge cases. Yay that this iteration is going away! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/49 "2018-02-20T15:12:14Z")
Integration is entirely doable. it just needs some coding work. I’ve already written the very basics (in php) of linking an Eve character, with a discord id. Once that’s done, you can have something which puts them into the appropriate ‘guild’ for that discord to manage permissions. (One reason you can’t do it directly is you need to have a scheduled job which removes people too.) ---
**Author:** ![Sheckler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sheckler/32/55668_2.png) [@Sheckler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sheckler)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/50 "2018-02-20T15:19:50Z")
APIs adapt to changing conditions as much as any other architectural component. I’m fine with CCP furthering their API development to improve discord integration even if discord is driving industry standards by virtue of player choices. It sucks if TS and mumble are less popular. With younger players ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/51 "2018-02-20T15:22:38Z")
> [@CCP\_Explorer](#): > > But the tech teams working on these changes (removing EVE Voice and moving text chat to a standard XMPP chat server) are not going to change in-game gameplay functionality. This means we keep the full functionality of text chats, including local etc., in the game, because changes are only “backend”? Please keep in mind that chats are the backbone of today’s socialization, and EvE is much more social media than a regular game. So a tight integration of chats all over EvE and with the EvE client is a key success factor. Take this away, or make it feel external, will make people not logging in anymore … there are better ways to socialize outside EvE. In short, disconnect chat and gameplay - disconnect players from the game, fragment the player base even more. ---
**Author:** ![Terriaki\_Chancel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terriaki_chancel/32/459495_2.png) [@Terriaki\_Chancel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terriaki_Chancel)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/52 "2018-02-20T15:36:02Z")
I’m all up for the 64-bit clients, it has more potential than just plain RAM allocation. Maybe more multi-core focus? Also I would love to hear about any plans for moving to DX12. I know that EVE started using DX11 only few years ago, but imho the difference in these two APIs is significant enough. (I’m also an owner of AMD GPU sooo… Hehe) Good luck with these plans, I’m looking forward to it! ---
**Author:** ![Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akrasjel_lanate/32/389758_2.png) [@Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akrasjel_Lanate)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/53 "2018-02-20T16:27:52Z")
And this update to the chat system will not include any improvements to it functionality ? ---
**Author:** ![Vortaus\_Rauch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortaus_rauch/32/55678_2.png) [@Vortaus\_Rauch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortaus_Rauch)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/54 "2018-02-20T16:31:08Z")
It will be awesome if there was a local voice chat. You could meet pirates and reach agreement like – dont kill me pls – pay 10M ISK – ok – pass though this can be done with a regular chat ---
**Author:** ![Po\_Huit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/po_huit/32/55691_2.png) [@Po\_Huit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Po_Huit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/55 "2018-02-20T17:42:59Z")
I’m honestly discouraged to see in-game voice go, for several reasons. My primary use of in-game voice was with new players and folks I had no prior connection with, either in pairs or small gangs. It was the one voice system you could count on every player having access to, without struggling with setup or permissions. I think the biggest reason in-game voice was little-used is that it never really worked for larger groups. You could delete it, or you could, well, fix it. The fact that the former was chosen makes me really concerned that ~Walking In Stations~ — sorry, “64-bit client” is being used as an excuse to put EVE deeper into low-cost maintenance mode. Abandoning feature after feature makes me concerned about CCP’s long-term level of commitment to the game. Can you share some details of the blockers for bringing a fixed 64-bit version of the voice code forward? Didn’t you just upgrade audio to a new engine? Perhaps you could replace the current voice system with a client-integrated version of Mumble with a dedicated server run by CCP? This would move voice out of the core client and server codebase for the most part. Mumble is a well-maintained, portable and widely-used voice chat system that scales extremely well. This move would be consistent with the move to XMPP: rely on open source third-party software to do the heavy ancillary lifting. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/56 "2018-02-20T17:43:54Z")
> [@Terriaki\_Chancel](#): > > Maybe more multi-core focus? SMP has been available for 32 bit systems for a very long time now and has nothing to do with 64bit. It will be possible for the client to use 3501MB of system memory instead of 3499. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/57 "2018-02-20T17:45:23Z")
> [@Po\_Huit](#): > > with a client-integrated version of Mumble There are one problem that still remains. With in client voice chats you could be ---
**Author:** ![Wilhelm\_Arcturus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wilhelm_arcturus/32/412004_2.png) [@Wilhelm\_Arcturus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wilhelm_Arcturus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/58 "2018-02-20T17:46:02Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > with a client-integrated version of Mumble > > There are one problem that still remains. With in client voice chats you could be You could be what? ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/59 "2018-02-20T17:46:43Z")
> [@Wilhelm\_Arcturus](#): > > You could be what? Oh right, I lost the socket in the middle of the sentence. ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/60 "2018-02-20T17:49:42Z")
> [@CCP\_Explorer](#): > > really should be This is not the first time, not even the first time within the past couple months, where CCP has said “our tools suck, so we’re making them suck even worse.” The gap between “what should be” and what actually is is not an excuse to make things stupid. On topic: EVE voice was a tool for strangers to spontaneously collaborate. Established groups could use 3rd party comms, of course, but for strangers that wasn’t ever a particularly viable option. Literally every multiplayer game on the market has built-in comms. It’s embarrassing that CCP can’t manage it. This also emphasizes that CCP has long since stopped caring about the communities that form in the game, and represents another nail in the coffin. No, I don’t want EVE voice saved. It wasn’t particularly good, and it sounds like another development dead end. I’d have preferred to see EVE Voice replaced rather than removed, even if that meant a partnership with 3rd party software. ---
**Author:** ![Po\_Huit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/po_huit/32/55691_2.png) [@Po\_Huit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Po_Huit)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460/61 "2018-02-20T17:51:58Z")
@elitatwo Nice! 🙂 Large organizations would be unlikely to move off their currently-used third-party voice chat no matter what CCP did with voice. If that’s not an option in my situation, though, I’d rather risk a disconnect that just not be able to chat at all. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice/58460.md?page=4)