# Devblog: CSM Winter Summit 2019 Meeting Minutes **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** devblog, csm\ **Created:** [March 19, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215 "2019-03-19T15:28:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/287 "2019-03-26T12:49:11Z")
Okay. Thanks for replying. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/288 "2019-03-26T12:49:44Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Well, sorry I missed that. Like I said before, I shouldn’t have to do extra steps just to see if the CSM is actively seeking input from the playerbase. It would help a lot if a notice/message thread inviting the playerbase to participate was posted in high usage sub-forums directing us to the appropriate sub-forum. The only step you needed to take was “go to CSM area on forums.” ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/289 "2019-03-26T12:52:12Z")
> [@Drago\_Shouna](#): > > I’ve put up a simple suggestion months and months ago in the ideas/qol thread about giving us the ability to switch characters without having to log out then back in. > > Not once have I seen it mentioned in any minutes by the csm, or seen anything back from CCP. So when this happens players don’t bother any more This is probably because we have asked for this so many times and have been given the same answer - it’s not possible to do it in a secure way - that we’ve stopped asking for it. I asked about this in the beginning of my term and the old guys laughed at me because every body has asked for that at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/290 "2019-03-26T13:03:33Z")
> [@Drago\_Shouna](#): > > I play ESO on the xbox, on the European server. You have 2 choices, that or the USA one. So it could be looked at as a single server game Not really. It’s still multiple servers. Then there is the part where if there isnt cross play between platforms, each system has their own server. Where as eve is one giant ■■■■■■■■■■■ for the whole world. Excluding china. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/291 "2019-03-26T14:02:09Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I disagree with everything you just posted. Ok, let’s take it from the top: give me an example of a representational system where the onus is on the representative, not the constitutent. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > The last and only time that I remember a CSM member actually posting a thread in the forums asking for input from the community was Jin’taan during CSM 12. Well, then you should probably check… > [@Next Summit Brainstorm - Ship Balance](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/next-summit-brainstorm-ship-balance/134070): > > As the CSM begins prepping for the next summit in February, I’m going to open a few new threads to get some feedback. Second up, we have a discussion of ship balance. In here, post your ideas for ships that you believe need a balance pass, and an explanation as to why the ship needs to be rebalanced, and any ideas you may have for doing so. Example (this is tongue in cheek, please be more specific than this, you literalists): Ship: Griffin Navy Issue: Why: It sucks and nobody flies it I kn… > [@Next Summit Brainstorming - New Ships](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/next-summit-brainstorming-new-ships/134027): > > As the CSM begins prepping for the next summit in February, I’m going to open a few new threads to get some feedback. First up is new ships. What types of new ships do you want added to the game, and why? To keep this easier, please include in your submission the type of ship (battleship, cruiser, HAC, dread, etc.), the role it is designed to play and why you think it’s needed. Looking forward to seeing some creative ideas. And, before you ask, Angel Titans is already on my list. … > [@War Dec Roundtable - Saturday, January 5 at 1900 EVE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/war-dec-roundtable-saturday-january-5-at-1900-eve/130505): > > You are cordially invited to join me and other CSM members for a round table to discuss potential ideas for the war dec revamp that CCP is currently working on. The focus of this roundtable is primarily on the views of the current highsec war dec community, in an effort to provide some ideas to CCP that will make the new system more balanced yet still retain EVE’s traditional risk vs. reward philosophy. If you want to join, please join the War Dec Project’s discord [https://discord.gg/6MTf4ZY](https://discord.gg/6MTf4ZY). T… > [@CSM 13 - Null sec Issues/Suggestions/Ideas](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-13-null-sec-issues-suggestions-ideas/84411): > > CSM 13 began its duties today with our first official meeting with CCP. As I noted I would do to those who made comments, I’m creating open issues threads for the various areas of space that players may have ideas, concerns or issues with. Please use this thread for null sec - issues specific to that region of space. > [@CSM 13 - WH/J space Issues/Suggestions/Ideas](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-13-wh-j-space-issues-suggestions-ideas/84412): > > CSM 13 began its duties today with our first official meeting with CCP. As I noted I would do to those who made comments, I’m creating open issues threads for the various areas of space that players may have ideas, concerns or issues with. Please use this thread for Wormhole space - issues specific to that region of space. > [@CSM 13 - Low Sec Issues/Suggestions/Ideas](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-13-low-sec-issues-suggestions-ideas/84410): > > CSM 13 began its duties today with our first official meeting with CCP. As I noted I would do to those who made comments, I’m creating open issues threads for the various areas of space that players may have ideas, concerns or issues with. Please use this thread for low sec - issues specific to that region of space. > [@CSM 13 - Faction Warfare Issues/Suggestions/Ideas](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-13-faction-warfare-issues-suggestions-ideas/84413): > > CSM 13 began its duties today with our first official meeting with CCP. As I noted I would do to those who made comments, I’m creating open issues threads for the various areas of space that players may have ideas, concerns or issues with. Please use this thread for faction warfare - issues specific to that region of space. > [@Potential Fix for WHers for the 500mn HIC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/potential-fix-for-whers-for-the-500mn-hic/107020): > > As part of our efforts to fix this issue, I’ve had a couple of wormholers propose to me that a potential solution would be to reduce the mass of the Porpoise by half. The Porpoise has enough fitting space to allow for the use of battleship sized propmods, and it’s small enough to fit in frigate sized holes. Reducing it would provide 1 mill mass going in, 51m coming back, or 2m going in and 102 coming back with higgs. Basically reducing the mass would allow it to fit a higgs rig while still fitt… > [@Pre-CSM Summit Open Thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pre-csm-summit-open-thread/101268): > > The CSM summit will be held next week in Iceland, from September 3 through September 7. I’ve gathered a lot of the issues that have been sprinkled throughout threads in the Assembly Hall and elsewhere, but I wanted to provide everyone with a fresh thread to put specific requests or concerns that they would like me and the other CSM members to be aware of before the Summit. In addition, I’d also like to know, from your perspective, what are the three most important issues facing EVE right now. … > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > However it doesn’t help if those threads don’t get any exposure due to being posted in a sub-forum that is rarely active. It’s in the **CSM** section of the forums. Where the hell _else_ is the CSM supposed to be conducting business? What’s next? ‘I shouldn’t have to actually _call_ to have my pizza delivered, they should just _know_’? ---
**Author:** ![Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erebus_thechin_sundance/32/375165_2.png) [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erebus_TheChin_Sundance)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/292 "2019-03-26T14:06:20Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > What’s next? ‘I shouldn’t have to actually _call_ to have my pizza delivered, they should just _know_ ’? +1 for the pizza place to “just know” ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/293 "2019-03-26T15:49:06Z")
Until one day they pitch up at your house with a pizza and are like, I know you didn’t order but we just knew. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/294 "2019-03-26T16:29:52Z")
‘Trust us, dude, the pineapple and banana pepper pie is _exactly_ what you wanted, you just didn’t know. But we know.’ ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/295 "2019-03-26T19:18:11Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > The only step you needed to take was “go to CSM area on forums.” Like I said earlier, it would help a lot if a notification thread inviting the playerbase to participate was posted in the sub-forum associated with that topic. > [@Arrendis](#): > > It’s in the **CSM** section of the forums. Where the hell _else_ is the CSM supposed to be conducting business? What’s next? ‘I shouldn’t have to actually _call_ to have my pizza delivered, they should just _know_ ’? Wow, you really are a pompous arse. When a restaurant / fast food shop offers a special, they notify potential customers personally with mailing coupons and or Email notifications. They definitely don’t just sit in their shop and wait for people to show up. It’s all about exposure and advertisement. Without that, the only people who will know it’s available are homeless poor sod’s hanging out there looking for a handout. That same principal applies here as well. When the CSM post a thread in their sub-forum asking for input from the community about a specific topic, they can advertise it by posting a notification thread in the sub-forum associated with that thread topic. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/296 "2019-03-26T19:25:12Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Wow, you really are a pompous arse. Yes. I really am. Is that supposed to be a revelation? 🙂 > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > When a restaurant / fast food shop offers a special, they notify potential customers personally with mailing coupons and or Email notifications. Right. And when a restaurant or fast food shop has their regular menu items on their menu, it’s called _their menu_. You have to actually _look_ at their menu. The CSM listening to player ideas through the CSM forum **isn’t** a ‘special’. It’s _the normal process_. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > When the CSM post a thread in their sub-forum asking for input from the community about a specific topic Now we’ve gone from ‘asking what the players’ issues are’ to ‘a specific topic’. How are they supposed to know to ask about a specific topic if they haven’t heard from players about what their issues are? Imagine every topic possible and post a separate thread in the . . . **Which** portion of the forum should this go in? Because ‘the sub-forum associated with that thread topic’ would seem to be **the CSM sub-forum**. Cuz the topic is the CSM asking for information. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/297 "2019-03-26T19:39:52Z")
Jokes aside i’m using taxi twice every workday in morning and in evening. Every day it is the same time, the same starting and destination points. Exceptions occur for sure but they are, well, exceptions. Couple years and i still need to make a call twice a day. Really hoping that once i will just get a call from taxi saying that the car is already waiting for me or asking if i want to have it “as usual”… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/298 "2019-03-26T21:24:59Z")
Heh, obviously you can’t help yourself, constantly twisting things around and then portray them out of context just so you can write your trollish wall of text replies. > [@Arrendis](#): > > The CSM listening to player ideas through the CSM forum **isn’t** a ‘special’. It’s _the normal process_ . When a CSM member posts a thread asking for input from the playerbase about a specific topic, that’s a ‘special’. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Now we’ve gone from ‘asking what the players’ issues are’ to ‘a specific topic’. How are they supposed to know to ask about a specific topic if they haven’t heard from players about what their issues are? Imagine every topic possible and post a separate thread in the . . . I don’t know where you got that from, you’re either actually quite dense or just a sad little troll who likes to post worthless dribble. > [@Arrendis](#): > > **Which** portion of the forum should this go in? Because ‘the sub-forum associated with that thread topic’ would seem to be **the CSM sub-forum**. Cuz the topic is the CSM asking for information. Maybe you should try taking time to actually read what is written instead of quickly doing selective quoting just so you can post more troll remarks. I highly doubt it but maybe this will help you understand what I’m talking about - CSM member **creates a thread in the CSM sub-forum requesting player input _about PvE content_**. In order to get a proper response to the thread, CSM member then **posts a notification thread in the PvE sub-forum _informing PvE players about his CSM sub-forum thread_**. He’s definitely not going to post a notification thread in the ‘Marketplace’ sub-forum, or any other sub-forum for that matter. Maybe that’s just too difficult for you to understand. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/299 "2019-03-26T21:43:27Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I highly doubt it but maybe this will help you understand what I’m talking about - CSM member **creates a thread in the CSM sub-forum requesting player input _about PvE content_**. Except that all of these issues cross PvE and PvP lines. Which one does the VNI nerf fall under? Which one do Rorq stats fall under? Are supercapitals a PvP or PvE problem? Does tweaking supercap performance vs rats suddenly _not_ impact it in PvP? Where did I get my statement from? > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I’m talking about getting input from the playerbase before they go to a Summit meeting. They can easily post a thread asking what it is that we want changed, what needs to be fixed and what new content proposals we want discussed with CCP. That right there is you wanting them to ask what the player’s issues are, not soliciting specific feedback on a specific topic. And it’s what I replied to when you ‘disagreed with everything’ I said. In fact, let’s back it up _even further_, through the post from Buoytender that you responded to, to where you originally got pissy at Brisc: > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Here’s an idea, next time before attending CSM summits with CCP, how about all of you so called ‘community representatives’ first ask us, the playerbase, what it is that we want changed, what needs to be fixed and what new content proposals we want discussed with CCP. Go on now. Tell me that’s about asking for feedback on a specific topic, instead of asking what the players’ issues are. We can do the whole step-by-step of you shifting your goalposts, if you want, but it’s not really going to help your claim that _I’m_ the one twisting things around, here. And no, the CSM posting threads asking for feedback isn’t ‘special’, it’s just part of the normal process. Each of them has different ways of gathering information from the playerbase. None of those ways is particularly special or groundbreaking. None of them should be taken as ‘OMG A THING HAS HAPPENED THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED FOR AN AGE!!’ A CSM posting a ‘what do you guys think?’ may not happen as often as some of us might like, but it ain’t the freakin’ Ents going to war. And more of them would likely directly engage if not for the abuse they get on these forums. Stop for a minute and ask yourself why Jin’taan _isn’t_ asking these questions this year. The guy’s tired of face-tanking a whole bunch of nerds who are looking for excuses to take a crap all over the hard work he and the other CSMs have put in, for years. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/300 "2019-03-26T22:13:50Z")
Instead of being an ass like this other dude, I will instead ask what is it that you feel needs to be brought to attention that would have been uncovered by more suggestion thread’s (There were quite a few I remember reading them all). Also look at CSM read time’s (almost 5 - 10 X more than CCP account’s) they go through our threads summarize in their own notes and bring it forward, if CSM where not here a lot of our threads on the forums would just be lost to the wind making the community feel unheard. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/301 "2019-03-26T22:54:58Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Like I said earlier, it would help a lot if a notification thread inviting the playerbase to participate was posted in the sub-forum associated with that topic. The problem is that’s not where they go. CSM suggestions are supposed to go in our forums. I don’t want to create a bunch of work for the mods. But hey, I posted requests for comment on these forums and in the unofficial Facebook group. I’m in like 30 discords, get random EVE mails from folks all the time, and I’m reddit like hourly. If there’s something you want to share with me, please don’t hesitate. I’m not at all hard to find. Consider that an invitation. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/302 "2019-03-26T23:10:48Z")
@DeMichael_Crimson you could also use the “latest” button to show the latest posts that were made. That’s how I find where the major conversations are. Or scrolling through the forum. Itself. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/303 "2019-03-26T23:43:15Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > It’s [not] being gamed now. It’s working as intended for us. ftfy. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/304 "2019-03-26T23:53:51Z")
Talk about moving goalposts, every time you post your troll reply you continue to move them further out of the arena. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Except that all of these issues cross PvE and PvP lines. Which one does the VNI nerf fall under? Which one do Rorq stats fall under? Are supercapitals a PvP or PvE problem? Does tweaking supercap performance vs rats suddenly _not_ impact it in PvP? Good gawd, are you really that fracking dense? You wanna talk PvP you do it in the [PvP Gameplay Center](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/pvp-gameplay-center) forum. You wanna talk PvE you do it in the [PvE Gameplay Center](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/pve-gameplay-center) forum. You wanna talk about current changes to ship stats you do it in the [EVE Information Portal](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/eve-information-portal) forum or in the [EVE Technology and Research Center](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/technology-research) forum. The forum list goes on. Each of those forums has a sub-forum dedicated to topics specific to that content. > [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > I’m talking about getting input from the playerbase before they go to a Summit meeting. They can easily post a thread asking what it is that we want changed, what needs to be fixed and what new content proposals we want discussed with CCP. > > That right there is you wanting them to ask what the player’s issues are, not soliciting specific feedback on a specific topic. And it’s what I replied to when you ‘disagreed with everything’ I said. I made a generalized statement and lumped a few different suggestions together yet you gotta nit-pick it to death and focus on one specific aspect of it? Good gawd, just exactly how dense are you. What is so hard about understanding what I said? > [@Arrendis](#): > > In fact, let’s back it up _even further_ , through the post from Buoytender that you responded to, to where you originally got pissy at Brisc: > > > Here’s an idea, next time before attending CSM summits with CCP, how about all of you so called ‘community representatives’ first ask us, the playerbase, what it is that we want changed, what needs to be fixed and what new content proposals we want discussed with CCP. > > Go on now. Tell me that’s about asking for feedback on a specific topic, instead of asking what the players’ issues are. We can do the whole step-by-step of you shifting your goalposts, if you want, but it’s not really going to help your claim that _I’m_ the one twisting things around, here. What a bunch of BS, do you even read what you write? You know damn well what I’m talking about, yet you continue to mix everything up in some desperate attempt to prove me wrong. Next time you back up the goalposts, make sure you get the facts straight. I didn’t get pissy with Brisc. In fact my original statement was directed to Steve Ronuken which lumped together different topic suggestions, it definitely wasn’t just player issues. Also get it through your thick head, my statement first started as a generalized suggestion, then started getting more specific due to your constant nagging and nit-picking with listing the various thread topics Brisc posted in the CSM sub-forum. > [@Arrendis](#): > > And no, the CSM posting threads asking for feedback isn’t ‘special’, it’s just part of the normal process. Each of them has different ways of gathering information from the playerbase. None of those ways is particularly special or groundbreaking. None of them should be taken as ‘OMG A THING HAS HAPPENED THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED FOR AN AGE!!’ Gawd, I’m seriously tired of your grandstanding BS. You fracking started it with the Pizza crap and I continued that analogy with potential customers being personally notified with mail about Fast Food ‘specials’. And for the record if a CSM member posts a thread asking the playerbase for input about specific topic, then that is indeed ‘SPECIAL’ because they don’t actually have to do that. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Stop for a minute and ask yourself why Jin’taan _isn’t_ asking these questions this year. The guy’s tired of face-tanking a whole bunch of nerds who are looking for excuses to take a crap all over the hard work he and the other CSMs have put in, for years. Gawd, you’re just a bitter old piece of … Most of the time all you ever do on these forums is write massive walls of text trolling people into a forum flame war over nothing. I can’t believe I got sucked into feeding your damn troll arse. Won’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/305 "2019-03-27T00:02:04Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > Instead of being an ass like this other dude, I will instead ask what is it that you feel needs to be brought to attention that would have been uncovered by more suggestion thread’s (There were quite a few I remember reading them all). lol, your first statement is 100% right, I couldn’t agree more. As for your question, I haven’t seen a large outcry from the community asking for the removal of attributes yet that seems to be a pressing issue with the CSM. Removing attributes and changing everything associated with them seems to me would be a large workload for CCP to undertake which would take Dev time away from addressing other more important balance issues. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/306 "2019-03-27T00:02:45Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Each of those forums has a sub-forum dedicated to topics specific to that content. You mean like the CSM sub forum for all CSM related matters? You obviously know about sub forums, why was it so hard to find the CSM one if you wanted CSM contact. Edit: You could even set it to notify you about any new posts if you want. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215.md?page=16)