# Devblog: Final Statement Brisc Rubal Follow Up Investigation **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998 "2019-04-25T12:17:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/291 "2019-04-26T14:49:24Z")
> [@Sir\_HyperChrist](#): > > In my opinion CSM members should have at least some protection against frivolous accusations, similar to politicians in the real world. Good joke! šŸ¤£ You have more? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/292 "2019-04-26T14:52:36Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Now that Iā€™m back, I want to thank everybody who stood by me during this issue. This was a pretty stressful time period, but CCP did the right thing and I am satisfied with how things finally shook out. > > I hope that all of you accept CCPā€™s apology, as I did, and letā€™s get back to playing EVE Online. > > o7. Welcome back Brisc, glad everything worked out for you. Youā€™re definitely very magnanimous about this whole situation, a hell of a lot more than most of us would be. It is a shame all of this had to happen, in my opinion the community has lost a good CSM representative. As a fellow player I must say that all the time invested into creating and evolving a character is much more precious than anything else in this game. Glad to see that time wasnā€™t wasted. Good luck and may you have much success in all your future endeavors. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/293 "2019-04-26T14:56:28Z")
Welcome back. Problem is we now return to a CSM unwilling to freely communicate with the EVE community, but more importantly, we now lack a CSM member willing to put out the effort to reach out and try to communicate with all types of players and ask what they are looking for in EVE changes and improvements. The CSM becomes even more cloistered and isolated from the general EVE population, drawing even more on what their electing bloc wants them to do. The best part of your term was that you were actively seeking out peopleā€™s opinions and engaging with them on a regular basis. Your ability and efforts will be sorely missed; I doubt weā€™ll see someone in the near future willing to work as hard in reaching out and at least soliciting our opinions and hopes, let alone CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/294 "2019-04-26T15:22:03Z")
> [@Sir\_HyperChrist](#): > > I wonder, will the removal of Ankhesentapemkah in 2010 be reviewed now as well? She was removed from CSM and banned without real explanation tooā€¦ ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/5/056450003ba1e32787679784e1c82d46ca43bf3d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/295 "2019-04-26T15:28:31Z")
Briscā€™s stated that he did not threaten to sue, and needed to make no further issue beyond his initial public statement. ---
**Author:** ![Mordecai\_Fauntleroy\_Caine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mordecai_fauntleroy_caine/32/245920_2.png) [@Mordecai\_Fauntleroy\_Caine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mordecai_Fauntleroy_Caine)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/296 "2019-04-26T15:28:50Z")
Welcome back šŸ‘ ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/297 "2019-04-26T15:34:01Z")
Darn it, Rubal! Donā€™t you dare try to settle things down by being reasonable or some crap like that!! Do you have any idea how much effort I invested into making this tinfoil pitchfork?! ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/298 "2019-04-26T15:35:19Z")
I Been playing 16 years and Brisc has been playing around 12 years so Iā€™m told. Anyone playing Eve for that long would never do anything to jeopardise being banned and never having access to the characters one spent so long building. Also Eve players can actually become very good friends and engage in real life activities and social meet ups. It would be silly to steal info for isk gain when itā€™s actually friendships in Eve that are priceless. locked out of being with your friends sucks. I believe a story was manufactured by members of the CSM in a plot to get Brisc banned for some reason or another. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kaho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kaho/32/460342_2.png) [@Lord\_Kaho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kaho)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/299 "2019-04-26T15:49:07Z")
12 Years? He is playing 18 months if i get it right. Not a Vetaran, just a good voting brigade in the Imperium. And a good video for the GSM Campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erebus_thechin_sundance/32/375165_2.png) [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erebus_TheChin_Sundance)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/300 "2019-04-26T15:54:24Z")
ā€¦for 10 million skill points Iā€™m happy to turn a blind eye to all this tomfoolery. ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/301 "2019-04-26T15:55:57Z")
You sound like a cheap date šŸ˜› Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erebus_thechin_sundance/32/375165_2.png) [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erebus_TheChin_Sundance)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/302 "2019-04-26T15:58:49Z")
> [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](#): > > You sound like a cheap date šŸ˜› ā€¦I could be šŸ˜ but thatā€™s not important now, when will brisc be let back into the funny farm? ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/303 "2019-04-26T16:06:31Z")
Iā€™ll do it for only 9,999,999 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/304 "2019-04-26T16:10:52Z")
> [@Lord\_Kaho](#): > > 12 Years? > He is playing 18 months if i get it right. Not a Vetaran, just a good voting brigade in the Imperium. > And a good video for the GSM Campaign. Maybe you should learn from CCPā€™s mistake and do some fact checking first before posting. The capsuleer Brisc Rubal was cloned on 2006/07/09 @ 22:46 Eve time. Any player with a character that has over 100 mill SPā€™s is in my opinion a Veteran. EDIT: Damn it, I keep forgetting about skill extractors / injectors. OK, any player with a +100 mill SP character that was created over a decade ago is a Veteran. ---
**Author:** ![Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erebus_thechin_sundance/32/375165_2.png) [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erebus_TheChin_Sundance)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/305 "2019-04-26T16:14:20Z")
to be honest, some X-Instinct and Spirits, Iā€™m yours for the night. :fiestaparrot: ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/306 "2019-04-26T16:15:24Z")
> [@Lord\_Kaho](#): > > He is playing 18 months if i get it right. And whereā€™d you get that nonsense from? ---
**Author:** ![Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erebus_thechin_sundance/32/375165_2.png) [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erebus_TheChin_Sundance)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/307 "2019-04-26T16:18:03Z")
dave told him, dave is a touch unreliable after a few pints. letā€™s not change the subject though, we could get some SPā€™s outā€™a thisā€¦ hint hint ---
**Author:** ![Zeikxx\_Oxone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeikxx_oxone/32/131049_2.png) [@Zeikxx\_Oxone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeikxx_Oxone)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/308 "2019-04-26T16:52:01Z")
This now makes me question all banning actions of CCP. Principals and concepts that western Judicial systems are based on such as due process, Blackstoneā€™s formulation, habeas corpus, and so on are all important in the protection of the innocent and since the majority of punishments are handed out with little to no transparency thereā€™s no telling how many mistakes are made and innocent punished with no path of retribution. Brisc is fortunate to be a high profile player enough to get his case reviewed and investigated to find that he was innocent. Imagine being an ordinary player who was banned with no means of defending themselves. Now this isnā€™t all an attack on how CCP conducts themselves. Iā€™m sure many, if not most, players who face punishments are more likely than not in fact guilty and justly punished. And of course no justice system is perfect. But will this be a lesson learned by CCP and the possibility of learning from this lesson leading to changes within their internal policies to reduce the cases of innocent players facing justice in the future? Only time will tell. Praise Allah. ---
**Author:** ![Nicola\_Romanoff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicola_romanoff/32/277457_2.png) [@Nicola\_Romanoff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicola_Romanoff)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/309 "2019-04-26T17:20:03Z")
Good that youā€™re doing the right thing now, however the right thing would have bene to done all this due dilligence before acting the way you acted in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/310 "2019-04-26T17:23:52Z")
> [@Wandering\_Star](#): > > They could have privately locked these individuals accounts. Informed them of the allegations against them. Carried out their interviews, and investigations, and then unlocked their accounts. Due process, fair treatment, egg free facesā€¦ I completely agree with you. I wasnā€™t saying that CCP handled this situation well, only that I suspect that I understood the motivation behind their handling of it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998.md?page=16)