# Devblog: Final Statement Brisc Rubal Follow Up Investigation **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998 "2019-04-25T12:17:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kenny\_Drein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenny_drein/32/272150_2.png) [@Kenny\_Drein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenny_Drein)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/67 "2019-04-25T15:36:40Z")
@Rivr_Luzade where you at? I got the popcorn ready ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_C0ld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_c0ld/32/471894_2.png) [@Captain\_C0ld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_C0ld)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/68 "2019-04-25T15:38:18Z")
You think the fact that Brics was going to sue CCP in real life affected their decision? Maybe they felt some kind of pressure? Why would they ban first and then review their actions taken? Just a speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Seas\_Dethahal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seas_dethahal/32/154198_2.png) [@Seas\_Dethahal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seas_Dethahal)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/69 "2019-04-25T15:38:49Z")
To the people who are complaining about “but you need to review all the bans you have done before” etc etc etc These reviews should be taking place before the ban ever gets put in place. Initial Investigation Found Guilty Review Evidence and Investigation steps to confirm guilt Ban Its like going from Test environments to Prod without UAT or proper testing taking place. It always blows up spectacularly. ---
**Author:** ![AMARR\_KUNNNI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amarr_kunnni/32/36497_2.png) [@AMARR\_KUNNNI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AMARR_KUNNNI)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/70 "2019-04-25T15:41:15Z")
I totally agree with you that how you do it in real life you don’t public blacking someone name then say sorry we mess up we so sorry ccp needs to be ashamed of themselves ---
**Author:** ![Hun\_Tra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hun_tra/32/511052_2.png) [@Hun\_Tra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hun_Tra)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/71 "2019-04-25T15:44:45Z")
Well that was a wild ride. ---
**Author:** ![Rapscallion\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rapscallion_jones/32/454121_2.png) [@Rapscallion\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rapscallion_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/72 "2019-04-25T15:45:30Z")
I really feel bad for all involved. (SNARK) I think free skill points would make everyone feel a little better about this unfortunate moment. (/SNARK) 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/73 "2019-04-25T15:47:21Z")
inb4 the three people banned over this incident get compensated by CCP with 25K unallocated SPs each 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![fyskee\_Hakuli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fyskee_hakuli/32/130681_2.png) [@fyskee\_Hakuli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/fyskee_Hakuli)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/74 "2019-04-25T15:49:23Z")
it was there intentinally. since CCP’s head so confused they might be dont understand which thread i am replying. anyways i deleted it. ---
**Author:** ![Lorelei\_Ierendi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lorelei_ierendi/32/190833_2.png) [@Lorelei\_Ierendi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lorelei_Ierendi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/75 "2019-04-25T15:53:56Z")
So now we have established that CCP makes mistakes. We should think long and hard about how we can use this information moving forward. ---
**Author:** ![Wilhelm\_Arcturus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wilhelm_arcturus/32/412004_2.png) [@Wilhelm\_Arcturus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wilhelm_Arcturus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/76 "2019-04-25T15:54:46Z")
Weaponize all the thing! ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/77 "2019-04-25T15:55:46Z")
@The_Judge as the only member of the CSM to come out in support of the original ban publicly, any follow up to this previous statement of yours? [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/brisc-rubal-removed-from-the-csm-13/151333/35](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/brisc-rubal-removed-from-the-csm-13/151333/35) ---
**Author:** ![Drone\_16](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drone_16/32/222584_2.png) [@Drone\_16](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drone_16)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/78 "2019-04-25T15:57:09Z")
Agree. There should be consequences for the players who made the false report and the employees who bungled this so badly. To write a dev blog calling someone out like that is disgusting. Since when do we name and shame? Even if it were true, they should have written something like “CSM member removed for administrative reasons” and left it there. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Charon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_charon/32/187468_2.png) [@The\_Charon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Charon)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/79 "2019-04-25T15:57:17Z")
Congratulations! You’ve just lost the trust of the rest of the community. You told us you’d done your investigation and had determined they were dirty cheaters. Now you’re saying you didn’t do any sort of investigation until after you took action and made a pretty serious statement. How can we possibly trust anything you do from this point forward? Did other CSM’s actually turn in evidence, or was this just a ploy to get EvE in the news again? ---
**Author:** ![Jean\_LaForge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jean_laforge/32/381493_2.png) [@Jean\_LaForge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jean_LaForge)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/80 "2019-04-25T15:58:08Z")
Haha, it’s gone great. [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/brisc-rubal-removed-from-the-csm-13/151333/35](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/brisc-rubal-removed-from-the-csm-13/151333/35) ---
**Author:** ![Drone\_16](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drone_16/32/222584_2.png) [@Drone\_16](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drone_16)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/81 "2019-04-25T15:59:50Z")
Get used to the “post CCP Guard” community team. Guard was a good natured, tempering force at CCP as far as I have seen and heard, not so much for others that are in charge. ---
**Author:** ![Awkward\_Pi\_Duolus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/awkward_pi_duolus/32/281904_2.png) [@Awkward\_Pi\_Duolus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Awkward_Pi_Duolus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/82 "2019-04-25T16:01:56Z")
That’s unfortunate that he is a casualty of some trigger-happy mouthbreather (referring to ‘whistleblower’ here). That guy had his heart in the right place. ---
**Author:** ![Insidious](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/insidious/32/171848_2.png) [@Insidious](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Insidious)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/83 "2019-04-25T16:02:06Z")
excuse me guiz, i need to go hug my therapy dog, mr snuggles knows how to comfort me at times like dis. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Ongrard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_ongrard/32/129536_2.png) [@Agent\_Ongrard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_Ongrard)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/84 "2019-04-25T16:03:51Z")
Absolutely spineless. Even in Iceland, special people get special treatment I guess. Or are you going to do 2 week long reviews for everyone else you banned who claimed innocence? ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/85 "2019-04-25T16:05:11Z")
Delve, 1DQ1-A. Doing what INIT is not capable of: creating content. ---
**Author:** ![Drone\_16](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drone_16/32/222584_2.png) [@Drone\_16](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drone_16)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/86 "2019-04-25T16:07:29Z")
I would like to know which CCP employee thought it was a good idea to write such an undiplomatic, damaging statement which essentially attacked the character of an innocent Eve player. I feel like in the days of CCP Guard this wouldn’t have happened, even if he wasn’t technically in charge of the team, his opinions carried weight. He is the kind of guy that doesn’t need to flex his internet muscle to feel powerful. Someone else on the community team is obviously very different. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998.md?page=5)