# Devblog: Final Statement Brisc Rubal Follow Up Investigation **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog, csm\ **Created:** [April 25, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998 "2019-04-25T12:17:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Vynneve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_vynneve/32/221118_2.png) [@Valerie\_Vynneve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Vynneve)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/149 "2019-04-25T18:14:22Z")
What I find extraordinary here is the contradiction between CCP’s original statement ([since deleted](https://www.eveonline.com/article/ppne2z/brisc-rubal-removed-from-the-csm-13), I presume that was a demand by Brisc Rubal’s meatspace lawyers?) that information leading to the banning of Brisc Rubal **came from other members of the CSM** , and the [final apology](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pqiubr/final-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation?origin=launcher) by CCP > “for not collaborating with due care with the members of CSM 13, who have acted responsibly throughout.” How can some other CSM members have **wrongly tipped off** CCP and at the same time **acted responsibly throughout**? There needs to be a bit more “responsible” double-checking of claims before CSM members accuse each other of bannable offences. And also before CCP acts - apparently summarily - on claims of bannable offences. If something like this can happen to someone with the in-game standing of a CSM member _and_ who is able to bring considerable real-life resources to bear on a situation like this, what recourse do middling players have? ---
**Author:** ![captain\_skinback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_skinback/32/304514_2.png) [@captain\_skinback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/captain_skinback)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/150 "2019-04-25T18:15:43Z")
You cant spell sanctity without tity ---
**Author:** ![Krisol\_Aldent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krisol_aldent/32/95514_2.png) [@Krisol\_Aldent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krisol_Aldent)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/151 "2019-04-25T18:16:22Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/c/2c9972c66b53f9e6a61eaa1659e8af6d9d5d5285.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/152 "2019-04-25T18:22:13Z")
We’ve notified all the media outlets that had already approached us with follow-up questions based on last week’s interim statement, as well as directing those that had published articles about Brisc over the last few weeks to the new statement. ---
**Author:** ![Karsten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karsten/32/203743_2.png) [@Karsten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karsten)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/153 "2019-04-25T18:23:15Z")
I wonder if for “normal” players this kind of review would ever happen. And i have to serious doubt it. If CCP blunders in such a high profile case how often do they blunder and hitting the normal paying player? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/154 "2019-04-25T18:25:12Z")
> After reviewing our assessment of the information on which these allegations were based and having spoken repeatedly with everyone involved, it’s now clear that our initial actions were based on unsubstantiated assumptions. > We will work to set this right and will be making changes to our procedures and policies to ensure this kind of situation does not reoccur. > Lastly, we owe our sincere apology to the EVE community for this error. We take full responsibility for any confusion and mistrust caused by our initial assessment of the situation. Wow, talk about losing face with your customers. Doesn’t matter how much recompense is done, the damage is still done and this whole issue will not be soon forgotten. I’m glad that Brisc and the others were found to be innocent and their account status reverted back to how it was before. Not only did you harm the integrity of an active CSM member and chased him away, you also alienated the playerbase with your rash decision and knee-jerk reaction to the entire situation. It will be extremely hard to believe any official statements from CCP ever again. Unfucin’believable. ---
**Author:** ![InZane4all\_Airuta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inzane4all_airuta/32/130782_2.png) [@InZane4all\_Airuta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/InZane4all_Airuta)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/155 "2019-04-25T18:25:33Z")
![tenor](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/d/8d7597ee26b39cc7dc12a7b5f66d3db33d29bbd9.gif) ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/156 "2019-04-25T18:30:34Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > The one guy on the CSM who at least reached out and communicated to us unwashed masses is now gone; how about the rest of you stepping up explaining your actions and lack of statements. > …or are you going to remain your normal noncommunicative selves? Yeah, it’s a shame they chased away the one person who was actually trying to help. And yeah, I highly doubt they wanna put themselves on the firing line so they’ll definitely stay non-communicative. ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/157 "2019-04-25T18:32:08Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Yes, to hell with the facts as long as you’ve got your narrative, right? Like I said: thanks for demonstrating that confirmation bias. It is pritty hard to be ingame masters for so long and now lost everything, 😂 cmon you can all go to farmvile and spoil farm life ingame 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Diarmait\_Hannigan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diarmait_hannigan/32/278544_2.png) [@Diarmait\_Hannigan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diarmait_Hannigan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/158 "2019-04-25T18:34:54Z")
punishment first was a mistake, you punished Brisc on false accusations without much of an investigation, though I am glad that you admitted you were wrong and you are willing to make things right, there are plenty of companies that would just bury something like this and pretend it never happened. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/159 "2019-04-25T18:45:42Z")
> [@Valerie\_Vynneve](#): > > What I find extraordinary here is the contradiction between CCP’s original statement ([since deleted](https://www.eveonline.com/article/ppne2z/brisc-rubal-removed-from-the-csm-13), I presume that was a demand by Brisc Rubal’s meatspace lawyers?) that information leading to the banning of Brisc Rubal **came from other members of the CSM** , and the [final apology](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pqiubr/final-statement-on-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation?origin=launcher) by CCP > > > “for not collaborating with due care with the members of CSM 13, who have acted responsibly throughout.” > > How can some other CSM members have **wrongly tipped off** CCP and at the same time **acted responsibly throughout**? All good points. The fact that the original Dev Blog has been deleted makes a mockery of CCP’s promise to be much more transparent. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/160 "2019-04-25T18:47:41Z")
Consequences for the community department. When? I would love to see the backstory of this utter farce. ---
**Author:** ![Kaoraku\_Shayiskhun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaoraku_shayiskhun/32/144449_2.png) [@Kaoraku\_Shayiskhun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaoraku_Shayiskhun)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/161 "2019-04-25T18:51:33Z")
This is epicly pathetic CCP. I saw many many MANY misstakes from you people, but this is the most epicly worst. You either sit up for a rumor, and without any investigation somebody had the power to ban 3 people, and declare that one of them broke a real life legal agreement, or you was only chicken to do it against a lawyer. Both thing is horrible. Both thing means that if somebody without a name got banned, he will be banned. The 1st means that you guys bann people without enough evidence (and yet we full of bots). The second is that if somebody loud enough, then he can do anything. And it is really pretty that you took the full responsible for it. This is something like your answers when the support not help at all. Nothing will happens from it, and the damage is already done. ---
**Author:** ![Kaoraku\_Shayiskhun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaoraku_shayiskhun/32/144449_2.png) [@Kaoraku\_Shayiskhun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaoraku_Shayiskhun)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/162 "2019-04-25T18:53:24Z")
> [@Omnathious\_Deninard](#): > > I am glad to see a thorough investigation was done and that the community was informed about the results regardless of what they were. > > The initial statement seemed to come out of nowhere and left many many questions. The first did the same. The community was informed. And that one left still many many questions. ---
**Author:** ![Vyktor\_Abyss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vyktor_abyss/32/378738_2.png) [@Vyktor\_Abyss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vyktor_Abyss)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/163 "2019-04-25T18:55:49Z")
CSM tip off CCP CCP act on tip off CCP investigate tip off CCP rescind action and apologise CCP thank CSM CSM [insert line here] ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/164 "2019-04-25T18:58:26Z")
# Final nail in coffin, time for Eve 2.0 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/165 "2019-04-25T19:07:23Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > I’m certainly speculating here, but it’s possible that CCP’s standard of proof is lower than that which would be required in a civil suit. So normally, they would just ban and be done with it. But this time, one of the players involved might have threatened legal action, which would have prompted CCP reevaluate the evidence to see if it was strong enough for a court of law. It is definitely possible. But if that is the case it also makes them look even dumber, because they _knew_ they were damaging a public figure, and should have expected he would not just roll over and play dead. ---
**Author:** ![Nice\_Nick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nice_nick/32/118688_2.png) [@Nice\_Nick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nice_Nick)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/166 "2019-04-25T19:08:05Z")
Maybe as in any normal company and country they should have been assumed innocent until proven guilty or not. Maybe suspended until the investigation has been done. But well done CCP for doing the investigation and admitting you were wrong ---
**Author:** ![TeamGreen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teamgreen/32/388595_2.png) [@TeamGreen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TeamGreen)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/167 "2019-04-25T19:09:50Z")
You should donate each one of them 3000 PLEX! ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Phoebe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/not_phoebe/32/129384_2.png) [@Not\_Phoebe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Not_Phoebe)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-final-statement-brisc-rubal-follow-up-investigation/154998/168 "2019-04-25T19:10:50Z")
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